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The result was    '''keep'''. [[User:Arbitrarily0|<span style='color:black'><b><u><i><big>A</big>rbitrarily<big>0</big></i></u></b></span>]]&nbsp;<sup><b>([[User talk:Arbitrarily0|<span style="font-variant: small-caps; color:#FF4500;">talk</span>]])</b></sup> 14:25, 11 June 2010 (UTC)
===[[OperaUpClose]]===

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Delete as non-notable. While there are sources given for this article, in my view they are not significant enough to establish notability. The company itself is really not the primary subject of any of the sources; two of which are performance reviews and one which is really more about the director. My searches for reliable independent source where the company itself is the primary subject (ie not a performance review) have yielded nothing; and really that is what is needed in this case. [[User:4meter4|4meter4]] ([[User talk:4meter4|talk]]) 04:12, 3 June 2010 (UTC)
:'''Further comment'''. Some of the claims in this article are completely untrue; such as "the longest running continuously performed La bohème of all time". Without even examining the Met's history and other major houses (many of which I suspect could easily challenge this claim), the Broadway run of bohème ran for 6 shows a week for 7 months in 2002-2003 which beets out the 5 month run of this company ([http://www.ibdb.com/production.php?id=13346 see here]). Further, this company was not even the first to stage operas in a pub; its been done before by several other companies (most notably the Montana Lyric Opera in the US which performs in a pub with established opera singers like [[Monica Yunus]] of the [[Metropolitan Opera]]). Really this is just a local novelty that drew some minor press coverage (Come down y'all for a beer and cheep show seems to be the jist).[[User:4meter4|4meter4]] ([[User talk:4meter4|talk]]) 04:38, 3 June 2010 (UTC)

*'''Keep''' as obviously notable per [[WP:GNG]]. The press coverage referenced in the article is already sufficient to verify notability - the interview with the director is entirely in the context of this directorship of OperaUpClose, and the production reviews are the usual way by which the notability of a theater company would be established. Five minutes on Google suggests there are a large number of other independent sources discussing OperaUpClose which could be added to the article. Many of these articles do specifically talk about OperaUpClose as a subject, not just their productions.

: This "local novelty" has attracted national press coverage in the UK[http://www.guardian.co.uk/music/2009/dec/03/operaupclose-puccini-pub] [http://www.whatsonstage.com/news/theatre/opera/E8831262686034/OperaUpClose+Announces+Extension+for+Boh%E8me.html] [http://entertainment.timesonline.co.uk/tol/arts_and_entertainment/stage/opera/article6966749.ece] (and many more) and as far afield as Israel [http://www.haaretz.com/magazine/week-s-end/from-romance-to-war-to-mammon-1.813] and Australia[http://www.smh.com.au/news/entertainment/arts/opera-has-the-last-shout-as-boheme-hits-the-boozer/2009/12/14/1260639169627.html].

: The issue raised by 4meter about whether or not it is the longest running performance is clearly a content issue which should not be considered as part of a deletion decision, and I have no idea whether it is ''true'' or not, but it is clearly ''verifiable'': [http://www.thestage.co.uk/news/newsstory.php/27519/operaupcloses-la-boheme-to-open-at-the-soho]. <small><span class="autosigned">—&nbsp;Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[User:Thparkth|Thparkth]] ([[User talk:Thparkth|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Thparkth|contribs]]) 11:39, 3 June 2010</span></small><!-- Template:Unsigned -->

*'''Keep''' — it probably scrapes GNG given the coverage. The UK papers cited are national papers, not local, plus it made the news in Australia as well, and opera companies almost inevitably draw their notability from the productions. But with a couple of provisos:<p>'''1.''' The write-up in [[The Cock Tavern Theatre]] be shortened to one sentence with a link to this article (which had been copied verbatim from there without [[Wikipedia:Copying within Wikipedia|proper attribution]]).<p>'''2.''' "longest continuously performed ''La Boheme'' of all time" is clearly untrue, as [[User:4meter4|4meter4]] pointed out.[http://www.ibdb.com/production.php?id=13346] The ''Stage'' reference merely repeats the company's press release.<p>In fact. I'm going to fix both issues now. [[User:Voceditenore|Voceditenore]] ([[User talk:Voceditenore|talk]]) 13:59, 3 June 2010 (UTC)

*'''Weak Keep''' - this company appears to have only produced one opera and does not very obviously appear to have plans to produce any more.  Nevertheless, given the amount and weight of coverage, as noted by [[User:Voceditenore|Voceditenore]], I don't see why they shouldn't have their 15 minutes of Wikipedia fame. --[[User:GuillaumeTell|<b style="color:forestgreen;">Guillaume</b>]][[User talk:GuillaumeTell|<i style="color:blue;">Tell</i>]] 16:32, 3 June 2010 (UTC)

*<small class="delsort-notice">'''Note''':  This debate has been included in the [[Wikipedia:WikiProject Deletion sorting/Music|list of Music-related deletion discussions]]. <!--Template:Deletion sorting--></small> <small>-- [[User:Gene93k|• Gene93k]] ([[User talk:Gene93k|talk]]) 15:11, 3 June 2010 (UTC)</small>
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*<small>'''Note''':  This debate has been notified to [[Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Opera|WikiProject Opera]]. – [[User:Voceditenore|Voceditenore]] ([[User talk:Voceditenore|talk]]) 15:32, 3 June 2010 (UTC)</small>
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