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The result was '''no consensus'''. Users are welcome to merge in the future if there is talk page consensus for that (no need for AfD for merges). I believe this article does not explain its notability, nor does it cite a single source. I have tagged as such. If I was a bit more bold, I would have deleted it. Please bring this article up to standards or it WILL be deleted in the future. (also, I am not comfortable merging this text as it is because it still is unsourced/not verifiable.)-[[User:Andrew c|Andrew&nbsp;c]]&nbsp;[[User talk:Andrew c|<sup>[talk]</sup>]] 15:37, 11 October 2007 (UTC) 
===[[Time loop logic]]===

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This is a theory which appears to have no currency outside of a single paper by [[Hans Moravec]].  Fans of Isaac Asimov will note some parallels with ''The Endochronic Properties Of Resublimated [[Thiotimoline]]'' and may be inclined to deduce that it is a hoax.  Whether it is or is not, te author does not use this article title as a term in the paper.  Nor does the paper appear to be peer-reviewed.  So: amusing as this is, I think it violates policy by promoting a fringe theory or giving undue weight to an idea.  The title has no obvious connection to the idea's proposer, so a redirect does not seem appropriate. [[User talk:Cruftbane|Cruftbane]] 19:33, 1 October 2007 (UTC)
*'''Delete''' No verifiable sources, no peer-review, might be a hoax or OR. --[[User:Chuck Sirloin|Chuck Sirloin]] 20:07, 1 October 2007 (UTC)
*'''Delete''' per Sirloin. '''''[[User:NASCAR Fan24|<span style="color:#F00;">NA</span><span style="color:#800080;">SC</span><span style="color:#00F;">AR</span> Fan<span style="color:#BB0;">24</span>]]<sup>([[User talk:NASCAR Fan24|radio me!]])</sup>''''' 22:28, 1 October 2007 (UTC)
*'''Keep'''- real article as far as I can see, and nothing to refute it, or do I misunderstand Assuming Good faith?  <small>—Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[Special:Contributions/130.56.65.24|130.56.65.24]] ([[User talk:130.56.65.24|talk]]) 08:31, 4 October 2007 (UTC)</small><!-- Template:UnsignedIP --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->
*'''Keep'''. The source I used is in the external links, and I recall being prompted to look it up and write an article about this based off of encountering the concept in a popular science magazine (likely Discover or Scientific American) so it's not isolated to just that one original source. I'll go rummaging around to see if I can find what issue it was, but that could take a bit of time. It would have been nice if you'd raised this issue in a talk page or given some other indication of your concern before lunging straight to AfD. [[User:Bryan Derksen|Bryan Derksen]] 23:35, 1 October 2007 (UTC)
**It'll probably be a few days before I have the opportunity to dig up my boxes of old magazines or find a suitable index, but in the meantime a little web searching has shown a mention of Moravec's work on this at {{cite book| title=Time Machines: Time Travel in Physics, Metaphysics, and Science Fiction| first=Paul J.| last= Nahin| pages=297}}. I don't have the book and Google only had one page of the section this is in available, though, so I can't tell how much detail is in there. Also, Moravec's paper got published by the journal ''Extropy''. Don't know what sort of peer review that entails. ({{cite journal| title=Time Travel and Computing| journal=Extropy| issue= 9|date=July 1992| pages= 15-20| first=Hans| last=Moravec}})
*'''Keep'''- I've heard of it, and it seems logicall verifiable... needs some sources and to be sorted, but not deletable.  Dunno about the title of the article...[[User:JJJ999|JJJ999]] 02:22, 2 October 2007 (UTC)
**If no suitable title can be come up with, perhaps it could be turned into a section of [[Novikov self-consistency principle]]. Section headers have less stringent requirements. [[User:Bryan Derksen|Bryan Derksen]] 09:19, 2 October 2007 (UTC)
*<small>'''Note''':  This debate has been included in the [[Wikipedia:WikiProject Deletion sorting/Science fiction|list of Science fiction & fantasy-related deletions]].  </small> <small>--[[User:Gavin.collins|Gavin Collins]] 08:57, 2 October 2007 (UTC)--</small>
*'''Delete''' the sourced coverage may be non-trivial, but it isn't independent and it ''definitely'' isn't multiple.  As such, the article fails [[WP:N]]. [[User:Percy Snoodle|Percy Snoodle]] 15:24, 2 October 2007 (UTC)
*would still stick with my keep...[[User:JJJ999|JJJ999]] 06:28, 3 October 2007 (UTC)
'''move to keep'''- no consensus.  Clean up.[[User:JJJ999|JJJ999]] 00:26, 5 October 2007 (UTC)
*'''Delete''' as nominated by [[User talk:Cruftbane|Cruftbane]]. No [[WP:V|verifiable sources]], no keep. --[[User:Gavin.collins|Gavin Collins]] 09:02, 10 October 2007 (UTC)
*'''merge''' to the general article on the Novikov self-consistency principle. [[User:JoshuaZ|JoshuaZ]] 15:01, 11 October 2007 (UTC)

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