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==Proposals, June 2011==

Please check how many articles qualify for a stub type before proposing it.

If (after approval) you create a stub type, please be sure to add it to the [[Wikipedia:WikiProject_Stub_sorting/Stub_types|list of stub types]]. This page will be archived in its entirety once all discussions have been closed; there is no need to move them to another page.

===split of {{Cl|American film director stubs}}===
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The following upmerged templates are ready for categories
*{{tl|US-film-director-1940s-stub}} - {{cl|American film director, 1940s birth stubs}}
*{{tl|US-film-director-1970s-stub}} - {{cl|American film director, 1970s birth stubs}}
speedy? [[User:Waacstats|Waacstats]] ([[User talk:Waacstats|talk]]) 21:44, 30 June 2011 (UTC)
:'''Support'''. --[[User:Ser Amantio di Nicolao|<span style="font-family:Old English Text MT;">Ser Amantio di Nicolao</span>]]<sup>[[User_talk:Ser Amantio di Nicolao|''Che dicono a Signa?'']]</sup><sub>[[Special:Contributions/Ser Amantio di Nicolao|'''Lo dicono a Signa.''']]</sub> 20:00, 1 July 2011 (UTC)
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===Split of {{cl|Curaçao stubs}}===
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Please approve the following speedy categories:
* {{cl|Curaçaoan people stubs}}.  Picks up {{tl|Curaçao-bio-stub}}.  62 articles.
* {{cl|Curaçaoan sport stubs}}.  Picks up {{tl|Curaçao-sport-stub}} (62 P) and {{tl|Curaçao-footyclub-stub}} (10 P).
Please also approve the following two templates to upmerge to both of these new categories:
* {{tl|Curaçao-footy-bio-stub}}
* {{tl|Curaçao-sport-bio-stub}}
[[User:Dawynn|Dawynn]] ([[User talk:Dawynn|talk]]) 14:04, 30 June 2011 (UTC)
*(nods) Looks good. [[User:Grutness|Grutness]]...''[[User_talk:Grutness|<small style="color:#008822;">wha?</small>]]'' 00:24, 1 July 2011 (UTC)
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==={{cl|Music television stubs}}===
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Proposing the following:
* <del>{{tl|music-tv-prog-stub}}</del>{{tl|music-tv-stub}} / {{cl|Music television stubs}}.
*: For just about everything under {{cl|Music television}}
*:* Music television channels
*:* Music video programs
*:* Programs focused on music styles and artists
* <del>{{tl|US-music-tv-prog-stub}}</del>{{tl|US-music-tv-stub}} / {{cl|United States music television stubs}}
Templates built first, and used for exploration of the topic.  Categories to be built only when templates filled.
:Would these be better limited to programs rather than including channels and other things? [[User:Waacstats|Waacstats]] ([[User talk:Waacstats|talk]]) 21:49, 30 June 2011 (UTC)
::Oops!  Corrections made to original proposed templates.  Propose the following in addition:
::* {{tl|music-tv-prog-stub}} / {{cl|Music television series stubs}}.  Perm {{cl|Music television series}}.
::* {{tl|US-music-tv-prog-stub}} / {{cl|United States music television series stubs}}.  Perm {{cl|American music television series}}.
::I know the template still says prog, and the category limits this to a series.  One could argue that *anything* shown on TV is a program (including one-off movies and specials), while the concept of series typically denotes a recurring program, whether weekly, annual, etc.  But the precedent had already been set by {{cl|Drama television series}}, {{cl|Comedy television series}}, and others. [[User:Dawynn|Dawynn]] ([[User talk:Dawynn|talk]]) 02:23, 1 July 2011 (UTC)
:'''Support'''. --[[User:Ser Amantio di Nicolao|<span style="font-family:Old English Text MT;">Ser Amantio di Nicolao</span>]]<sup>[[User_talk:Ser Amantio di Nicolao|''Che dicono a Signa?'']]</sup><sub>[[Special:Contributions/Ser Amantio di Nicolao|'''Lo dicono a Signa.''']]</sub> 20:01, 1 July 2011 (UTC)
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===More splits for {{cl|United States television program stubs}}===
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All of these will be upmerged to {{cl|United States television program stubs}}, along with the indicated category.
* {{tl|US-game-show-stub}}.  Upmerge to {{cl|Game show stubs}}
* {{tl|US-child-tv-prog-stub}}.  Upmerge to {{cl|Children's television series stubs}}
* {{tl|US-animation-tv-prog-stub}}.  Upmerge to {{cl|Animated television series stubs}}
[[User:Dawynn|Dawynn]] ([[User talk:Dawynn|talk]]) 12:41, 30 June 2011 (UTC)
:Another good move [[User:Waacstats|Waacstats]] ([[User talk:Waacstats|talk]]) 21:47, 30 June 2011 (UTC)
:Looks good, '''Support''' <sup>~</sup>[[User:Gosox5555|<span style="color:#0A00C4;">Gosox</span>]]<sup>([[User_talk:Gosox5555|<span style="color:red;">55</span>]])</sup><sub>([[Special:Contributions/Gosox5555|<span style="color:gray;">55</span>]])</sub> 17:07, 1 July 2011 (UTC)
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==={{tl|SouthAfrica-tv-stub}}===
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Propose template for exploration.  Not sure if enough for a separate category, but can upmerge to {{cl|South African media stubs}} for now. [[User:Dawynn|Dawynn]] ([[User talk:Dawynn|talk]]) 10:26, 30 June 2011 (UTC)
:'''Support''' [[User:Waacstats|Waacstats]] ([[User talk:Waacstats|talk]]) 21:46, 30 June 2011 (UTC)
:'''Support'''. --[[User:Ser Amantio di Nicolao|<span style="font-family:Old English Text MT;">Ser Amantio di Nicolao</span>]]<sup>[[User_talk:Ser Amantio di Nicolao|''Che dicono a Signa?'']]</sup><sub>[[Special:Contributions/Ser Amantio di Nicolao|'''Lo dicono a Signa.''']]</sub> 20:02, 1 July 2011 (UTC)
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===Epidemiology===
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{{tl|Epidemiology-stub}}
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i''ology with less than 512 bytes or less than 4 links:
2000s medical outbreaks 	2005 Outbreak of E. coli O157 in South Wales (10247 bytes) (10247 bytes) (3 links)
Epidemiology 	American College of Epidemiology (1377 bytes) (1377 bytes) (3 links)
Epidemiology 	Area compatibility factor (910 bytes) (910 bytes) (3 links)
Epidemiology 	BioSense (2636 bytes) (2636 bytes) (3 links)
Epidemiological study projects 	Boston Collaborative Drug Surveillance Program (663 bytes) (663 bytes) (3 links)
Clinical trials 	Data confidentiality in clinical trials (1632 bytes) (1632 bytes) (3 links)
Epidemiologists 	David Waltner-Toews (2689 bytes) (2689 bytes) (3 links)
Epidemiology 	Deprivation index (418 bytes) (418 bytes) (11 links)
Epidemiology 	Epizoology (380 bytes) (380 bytes) (3 links)
Epidemiology 	Essence (Electronic Surveillance System for the Early Notification of Community-based Epidemics) (571 bytes) (571 bytes) (3 links)
Epidemiology 	Mutual standardisation (710 bytes) (710 bytes) (3 links)
Epidemiology 	National Outbreak Reporting System (3297 bytes) (3297 bytes) (2 links)
Epidemiological study projects 	National Survey of Sexual Attitudes and Lifestyles (412 bytes) (412 bytes) (2 links)
Epidemiology 	Rate ratio (525 bytes) (525 bytes) (2 links)
Epidemiology 	Recidivism (medicine) (442 bytes) (442 bytes) (3 links)
Epidemiology 	Reed-Frost model (250 bytes) (250 bytes) (4 links)
Epidemiology 	Regression (medicine) (273 bytes) (273 bytes) (2 links)
Epidemiology 	Sibship (274 bytes) (274 bytes) (3 links)
Epidemiology 	Strengthening the reporting of observational studies in epidemiology (1639 bytes) (1639 bytes) (3 links)
Epidemiologists 	Thomas Rowe Edmonds (877 bytes) (877 bytes) (3 links)
Epidemiology 	WAIFW matrix (349 bytes) (349 bytes) (2 links)
Epidemiology 	Weighted Capitation Formula (451 bytes) (451 bytes) (2 links)
Epidemiology 	Welsh Resource Allocation Formula (346 bytes) (346 bytes) (4 links)</small>
''
'''found 23 articles'''
<small><span class="autosigned">—&nbsp;Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[User:Geofferybard|Geofferybard]] ([[User talk:Geofferybard|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Geofferybard|contribs]]) </span></small><!-- Template:Unsigned -->

:Possibly useful, though several of the articles you list are not stubs the number of links to an article is completely irrelevant when talking about stubs). Others are people, who would not normally be put into a subject category but rather into a bio category. '''Tentative support''', though I'd like to hear from stub-sorters working on med stubs in general. [[User:Grutness|Grutness]]...''[[User_talk:Grutness|<small style="color:#008822;">wha?</small>]]'' 00:37, 30 June 2011 (UTC)
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=== Nuclear energy ===
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{{tl|Nuclear energy - stub}}
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n 512 bytes or less than 4 links:
''Nuclear energy in Albania 	Albanian Nuclear Agency (1393 bytes) (1393 bytes) (2 links)
Radiation effects 	Alpha strike (engineering) (584 bytes) (584 bytes) (3 links)
Nuclear technology 	Atomic fountain (575 bytes) (575 bytes) (3 links)
Nuclear power stubs, Nuclear reprocessing 	Bismuth phosphate process (431 bytes) (431 bytes) (3 links)
Fusion power 	Bootstrap current (986 bytes) (986 bytes) (3 links)
Nuclear organizations 	CANDU Owners Group (3104 bytes) (3104 bytes) (3 links)
Radioactive waste 	CASTOR (381 bytes) (381 bytes) (6 links)
Nuclear reactors 	Calandria (505 bytes) (505 bytes) (10 links)
Nuclear organizations 	Canadian Nuclear Association (349 bytes) (349 bytes) (3 links)
Nuclear warfare 	Collective protection (1600 bytes) (1600 bytes) (3 links)
Nuclear power stubs, Nuclear safety 	Committee on the Safety of Nuclear Installations (831 bytes) (831 bytes) (3 links)
Nuclear materials 	Defence Nuclear Material (450 bytes) (450 bytes) (8 links)
Nuclear research centers 	Department of Applied Science, UC Davis (2353 bytes) (2353 bytes) (3 links)
Nuclear organizations 	European Nuclear Energy Leadership Academy (432 bytes) (432 bytes) (7 links)
International nuclear energy organizations 	European Nuclear Lobby (1028 bytes) (1028 bytes) (2 links)
International nuclear energy organizations, Nuclear organizations 	European Nuclear Society (919 bytes) (919 bytes) (3 links)
Nuclear power stubs, Nuclear reactors 	Exclusion area (557 bytes) (557 bytes) (3 links)
Nuclear reactors 	FBNR (466 bytes) (466 bytes) (2 links)
Nuclear energy in Ghana, Nuclear organizations 	Ghana Atomic Energy Commission (305 bytes) (305 bytes) (1 links)
Fusion power 	Glasser effect (383 bytes) (383 bytes) (2 links)
Nuclear energy in India, Nuclear technology 	Global Centre for Nuclear Energy Partnership (2196 bytes) (2196 bytes) (3 links)
Nuclear warfare, Nuclear weapons 	Improvised nuclear device (1037 bytes) (1037 bytes) (2 links)
Nuclear research centers 	Institut für Nukleare Entsorgung (306 bytes) (306 bytes) (1 links)
Nuclear regulatory organizations 	International Nuclear Regulators’ Association (768 bytes) (768 bytes) (3 links)
Nuclear organizations 	International Nuclear Safety Center (1438 bytes) (1438 bytes) (3 links)
People associated with nuclear power 	Kenneth Monroe Carr (2675 bytes) (2675 bytes) (3 links)
Nuclear regulatory organizations 	Kernfysische dienst (566 bytes) (566 bytes) (1 links)
Nuclear power stubs, Nuclear vehicle propulsion 	Kuznetsov NK-14 (433 bytes) (433 bytes) (39 links)
Nuclear liability 	Legal channeling (678 bytes) (678 bytes) (3 links)
Fusion power 	Macron (physics) (383 bytes) (383 bytes) (3 links)
Nuclear technology 	Nuclear Knowledge Management (22845 bytes) (22845 bytes) (1 links)
Nuclear energy by country 	Nuclear energy by country (174 bytes) (174 bytes) (3 links)
Nuclear energy in Iran 	Nuclear energy in Iran (297 bytes) (297 bytes) (68 links)
Nuclear energy in Luxembourg 	Nuclear energy in Luxembourg (248 bytes) (248 bytes) (79 links)
Nuclear energy in Malta 	Nuclear energy in Malta (456 bytes) (456 bytes) (81 links)
Nuclear energy in Yemen 	Nuclear energy in Yemen (470 bytes) (470 bytes) (65 links)
Nuclear technology 	Nuclear engineering computer codes (1275 bytes) (1275 bytes) (3 links)
Radioactive waste 	Operation Groundhog (863 bytes) (863 bytes) (3 links)
Nuclear weapons 	Paranuclear (493 bytes) (493 bytes) (5 links)
Nuclear stockpile stewardship, Nuclear weapons 	Project on Nuclear Issues (2607 bytes) (2607 bytes) (3 links)
Nuclear stockpile stewardship 	Quantification of margins and uncertainties (2011 bytes) (2011 bytes) (3 links)
Nuclear power stubs 	Reactimeter (355 bytes) (355 bytes) (2 links)
Nuclear industry organizations 	Rostekhnadzor (3813 bytes) (3813 bytes) (3 links)
Nuclear energy in Ukraine 	SKALA (461 bytes) (461 bytes) (7 links)
Nuclear power stubs 	SS Charles H. Cugle (367 bytes) (367 bytes) (5 links)
Nuclear accidents, Nuclear energy, Nuclear safety, Nuclear technology 	Safety code (nuclear reactor) (629 bytes) (629 bytes) (2 links)
Anti-nuclear movement, Nuclear energy, Nuclear power 	Smiling Sun (2856 bytes) (2856 bytes) (3 links)
Anti-nuclear organizations 	Sortir du nucléaire (349 bytes) (349 bytes) (3 links)
Nuclear safety 	Special Power Excursion Reactor Test Program (1020 bytes) (1020 bytes) (3 links)
Nuclear technology 	Steel plate construction (1682 bytes) (1682 bytes) (1 links)
Books about nuclear issues 	The Atom Besieged (969 bytes) (969 bytes) (3 links)
Nuclear energy in the United Kingdom 	Tier 1 – UK Nuclear Site Management & Licensing (390 bytes) (390 bytes) (3 links)
Nuclear technology 	Time-dependent Neutronics and Temperatures (486 bytes) (486 bytes) (149 links)
Nuclear energy in the United States 	Title 10 of the Code of Federal Regulations (714 bytes) (714 bytes) (1 links)
Nuclear research centers 	Tuwaitha Nuclear Research Center (1716 bytes) (1716 bytes) (2 links)
Nuclear sector 	Wild Horse (mining company) (946 bytes) (946 bytes) (3 links)
Nuclear industry organizations 	Young Generation Network (2045 bytes) (2045 bytes) (2 links)
Nuclear power stubs, Nuclear reactors 	ZPPR (619 bytes) (619 bytes) (1 links)
</small>''
<small><span class="autosigned">—&nbsp;Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[User:Geofferybard|Geofferybard]] ([[User talk:Geofferybard|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Geofferybard|contribs]]) </span></small><!-- Template:Unsigned -->
:Dear me. It would have been so much easier to say "At least 58 stubs" and then sign your name.  Mind you, since this stub already exists at ts correct name - {{tl|Nuclear-energy-stub}}...and many of the articles you loist already use it! [[User:Grutness|Grutness]]...''[[User_talk:Grutness|<small style="color:#008822;">wha?</small>]]'' 00:26, 30 June 2011 (UTC)
::Please specify -- are you proposing a split from {{cl|Nuclear power stubs}}?  How would you differentiate between nuclear energy and nucelar power? [[User:Dawynn|Dawynn]] ([[User talk:Dawynn|talk]]) 18:48, 11 July 2011 (UTC)
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===Antarctica, Part the third===
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Slowly, slowly, the Antarctica geo-stubs are coming under control... but there are still a few categories that are or will soon be massively oversized. So, here are a few more splits:

*{{tl|EnderbyLand-geo-stub}} / {{cl|Enderby Land geography stubs}} (iff)
*{{tl|GrahamLand-geo-stub}} / {{cl|Graham Land geography stubs}} (iff)
*{{tl|PalmerArchipelago-geo-stub}} / {{cl|Palmer Archipelago geography stubs}} (iff)
*{{tl|AlexanderIsland-geo-stub}} / {{cl|Alexander Island geography stubs}} (iff)

The first of these should finally bring East Antarctica geo-stubs below the 1000 stub mark, the other three should reduce the pressure on the soon-to-be-enormous Antarctic Peninsula geo-stub category (currently not big, but soon likely to be well over 2500 stubs). [[User:Grutness|Grutness]]...''[[User_talk:Grutness|<small style="color:#008822;">wha?</small>]]'' 05:57, 29 June 2011 (UTC)
:'''Support''' all of these. --[[User:Ser Amantio di Nicolao|<span style="font-family:Old English Text MT;">Ser Amantio di Nicolao</span>]]<sup>[[User_talk:Ser Amantio di Nicolao|''Che dicono a Signa?'']]</sup><sub>[[Special:Contributions/Ser Amantio di Nicolao|'''Lo dicono a Signa.''']]</sub> 15:17, 29 June 2011 (UTC)

Adding a couple more:
*{{tl|Biscoes-geo-stub}} / {{cl|Biscoe Islands geography stubs}}
*{{tl|WilhelmArchipelago-geo-stub}} / {{cl|Wilhelm Archipelago geography stubs}}
Hopefully that should well and truly get Antarctic Peninsula down to size. [[User:Grutness|Grutness]]...''[[User_talk:Grutness|<small style="color:#008822;">wha?</small>]]'' 08:03, 30 June 2011 (UTC)
:All look good to me. [[User:Waacstats|Waacstats]] ([[User talk:Waacstats|talk]]) 11:20, 30 June 2011 (UTC)

Oops - apologies; IO made another one as well which I thought I'd proposed:
*{{tl|PalmerLand-geo-stub}} / {{cl|Palmer Land geography stubs}}
[[User:Grutness|Grutness]]...''[[User_talk:Grutness|<small style="color:#008822;">wha?</small>]]'' 00:50, 2 July 2011 (UTC)
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===Exploratory upmerged templates for {{cl|Curaçao stubs}}===
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Propose the following basic templates:
* {{tl|Curaçao-bio-stub}}
* {{tl|Curaçao-sport-stub}}
* {{tl|Curaçao-struct-stub}}
[[User:Dawynn|Dawynn]] ([[User talk:Dawynn|talk]]) 14:36, 27 June 2011 (UTC)
:'''Support'''. Might I also suggest some redirects using "Curacao"?  Might be useful. --[[User:Ser Amantio di Nicolao|<span style="font-family:Old English Text MT;">Ser Amantio di Nicolao</span>]]<sup>[[User_talk:Ser Amantio di Nicolao|''Che dicono a Signa?'']]</sup><sub>[[Special:Contributions/Ser Amantio di Nicolao|'''Lo dicono a Signa.''']]</sub> 20:14, 27 June 2011 (UTC)
:'''Support''' This whole area's become a mess since the change of political status - any clearing up will help. [[User:Grutness|Grutness]]...''[[User_talk:Grutness|<small style="color:#008822;">wha?</small>]]'' 14:12, 28 June 2011 (UTC)
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===split of {{cl|Dutch politician stubs}}===
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Starting to get large propose the following
*{{tl|CDA-Netherlands-politician-stub}} - {{Cl|Christian Democratic Appeal politician stubs}}
*{{tl|VVD-Netherlands-politician-stub}} - {{Cl|People's Party for Freedom and Democracy politician stubs}}
the CDA and VVD are the shortened version of the names used in the Netherlands in case you are wandering. [[User:Waacstats|Waacstats]] ([[User talk:Waacstats|talk]]) 20:29, 26 June 2011 (UTC)
*We seem to have quite a bit of confusion in our politician stubs... but shouldn't these be {{tl|Netherlands-CDA-politician-stub}} and {{tl|Netherlands-VVD-politician-stub}}? [[User:Grutness|Grutness]]...''[[User_talk:Grutness|<small style="color:#008822;">wha?</small>]]'' 01:51, 27 June 2011 (UTC)
**Very good point, yes they should be and I will have to look at a few politician categories to check where we have gone wrong. [[User:Waacstats|Waacstats]] ([[User talk:Waacstats|talk]]) 11:27, 27 June 2011 (UTC)
:'''Support'''.  Wandering included. :-) --[[User:Ser Amantio di Nicolao|<span style="font-family:Old English Text MT;">Ser Amantio di Nicolao</span>]]<sup>[[User_talk:Ser Amantio di Nicolao|''Che dicono a Signa?'']]</sup><sub>[[Special:Contributions/Ser Amantio di Nicolao|'''Lo dicono a Signa.''']]</sub> 20:15, 27 June 2011 (UTC)
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===Split of {{cl|Turridae stubs}}===
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Oversized.  The following genera look like they can support categories:
* {{cl|Comitas stubs}} / {{tl|Comitas-stub}}
* {{cl|Crassispira stubs}} / {{tl|Crassispira-stub}}

Doesn't look like that will clear enough.  So, propose splitting by subfamily, categories to be built only if templates filled to 60 or more:
* {{cl|Turrinae stubs}} / {{tl|Turrinae-stub}}
* {{cl|Cochlespirinae stubs}} /  {{tl|Cochlespirinae-stub}}
* {{cl|Crassispirinae stubs}} /  {{tl|Crassispirinae-stub}}
* {{cl|Zemaciinae stubs}} /  {{tl|Zemaciinae-stub}}
* {{cl|Zonulispirinae stubs}} /  {{tl|Zonulispirinae-stub}}
[[User:Dawynn|Dawynn]] ([[User talk:Dawynn|talk]]) 11:40, 24 June 2011 (UTC)
:looks good to me. [[User:Waacstats|Waacstats]] ([[User talk:Waacstats|talk]]) 20:23, 26 June 2011 (UTC)
:'''Support''' all. --[[User:Ser Amantio di Nicolao|<span style="font-family:Old English Text MT;">Ser Amantio di Nicolao</span>]]<sup>[[User_talk:Ser Amantio di Nicolao|''Che dicono a Signa?'']]</sup><sub>[[Special:Contributions/Ser Amantio di Nicolao|'''Lo dicono a Signa.''']]</sub> 20:16, 27 June 2011 (UTC)
::Delaying retagging as there is a question out to the mollusc wikiproject. [[User:Dawynn|Dawynn]] ([[User talk:Dawynn|talk]]) 11:26, 1 July 2011 (UTC)

:'''Oppose''' per [[Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Gastropods#Split_of_Category:Turridae_stubs]]. --[[User:Snek01|Snek01]] ([[User talk:Snek01|talk]]) 21:36, 8 July 2011 (UTC)
::Complying with the wishes of the mollusc wikiproject [[User:Dawynn|Dawynn]] ([[User talk:Dawynn|talk]]) 18:19, 11 July 2011 (UTC)
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===Split of {{cl|United States television program stubs}}===
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Oversized.  Propose split into the wide, sweeping basic categories:
* {{tl|US-drama-tv-prog-stub}} / {{cl|United States drama television series stubs}}
** Move {{cl|The West Wing stubs}} here.
* {{tl|US-comedy-tv-prog-stub}} / {{cl|United States comedy television series stubs}}
** Move {{cl|The Simpsons stubs}} here.
* {{tl|US-nonfiction-tv-prog-stub}} / {{cl|United States non-fiction television series stubs}}
** Move {{cl|United States reality television stubs}} here.
Although I wouldn't classify this as a "basic" category, there seems to be enough to support this also, especially since we already have two subcategories:
* {{tl|US-sf-tv-stub}} / {{cl|United States science fiction television stubs}}
** Move {{cl|Babylon 5 stubs}} and {{cl|Star Trek stubs}} here.
Since each of these already have a subcategory, I assume its safe to build the categories right away, after the usual discussion waiting period. [[User:Dawynn|Dawynn]] ([[User talk:Dawynn|talk]]) 11:31, 24 June 2011 (UTC)
:Just to clarify, are you proposing making the tags mentioned ({{cl|The West Wing stubs}}, for example) subcats, or redirects? <sup>~</sup>[[User:Gosox5555|<span style="color:#0A00C4;">Gosox</span>]]<sup>([[User_talk:Gosox5555|<span style="color:red;">55</span>]])</sup><sub>([[Special:Contributions/Gosox5555|<span style="color:gray;">55</span>]])</sub> 12:40, 25 June 2011 (UTC)
::The existing categories (West Wing, Star Trek, Simpsons, etc) will stay categories, but will be subcategories to the indicated new proposed categories. [[User:Dawynn|Dawynn]] ([[User talk:Dawynn|talk]]) 22:34, 26 June 2011 (UTC)
:::'''Support''' then. <sup>~</sup>[[User:Gosox5555|<span style="color:#0A00C4;">Gosox</span>]]<sup>([[User_talk:Gosox5555|<span style="color:red;">55</span>]])</sup><sub>([[Special:Contributions/Gosox5555|<span style="color:gray;">55</span>]])</sub> 02:42, 29 June 2011 (UTC)
:'''Support''' all. --[[User:Ser Amantio di Nicolao|<span style="font-family:Old English Text MT;">Ser Amantio di Nicolao</span>]]<sup>[[User_talk:Ser Amantio di Nicolao|''Che dicono a Signa?'']]</sup><sub>[[Special:Contributions/Ser Amantio di Nicolao|'''Lo dicono a Signa.''']]</sub> 20:17, 27 June 2011 (UTC)
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===Split of {{cl|Wisconsin geography stubs}}===
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Category is oversized.  Proposing the standard split by county for this state:
{{collapse top|Proposed Wisconsin county geography templates}}
* {{tl|AdamsWI-geo-stub}}
* {{tl|AshlandWI-geo-stub}}
* {{tl|BarronWI-geo-stub}}
* {{tl|BayfieldWI-geo-stub}}
* {{tl|BrownWI-geo-stub}}
* {{tl|BuffaloWI-geo-stub}}
* {{tl|BurnettWI-geo-stub}}
* {{tl|CalumetWI-geo-stub}}
* {{tl|ChippewaWI-geo-stub}}
* {{tl|ClarkWI-geo-stub}}
* {{tl|ColumbiaWI-geo-stub}}
* {{tl|CrawfordWI-geo-stub}}
* {{tl|DaneWI-geo-stub}}
* {{tl|DodgeWI-geo-stub}}
* {{tl|DoorWI-geo-stub}}
* {{tl|DouglasWI-geo-stub}}
* {{tl|DunnWI-geo-stub}}
* {{tl|EauClaireWI-geo-stub}}
* {{tl|FlorenceWI-geo-stub}}
* {{tl|FondduLacWI-geo-stub}}
* {{tl|ForestWI-geo-stub}}
* {{tl|GrantWI-geo-stub}}
* {{tl|GreenWI-geo-stub}}
* {{tl|GreenLakeWI-geo-stub}}
* {{tl|IowaWI-geo-stub}}
* {{tl|IronWI-geo-stub}}
* {{tl|JacksonWI-geo-stub}}
* {{tl|JeffersonWI-geo-stub}}
* {{tl|JuneauWI-geo-stub}}
* {{tl|KenoshaWI-geo-stub}}
* {{tl|KewauneeWI-geo-stub}}
* {{tl|LaCrosseWI-geo-stub}}
* {{tl|LafayetteWI-geo-stub}}
* {{tl|LangladeWI-geo-stub}}
* {{tl|LincolnWI-geo-stub}}
* {{tl|ManitowocWI-geo-stub}}
* {{tl|MarathonWI-geo-stub}}
* {{tl|MarinetteWI-geo-stub}}
* {{tl|MarquetteWI-geo-stub}}
* {{tl|MenomineeWI-geo-stub}}
* {{tl|MilwaukeeWI-geo-stub}}
* {{tl|MonroeWI-geo-stub}}
* {{tl|OcontoWI-geo-stub}}
* {{tl|OneidaWI-geo-stub}}
* {{tl|OutagamieWI-geo-stub}}
* {{tl|OzaukeeWI-geo-stub}}
* {{tl|PepinWI-geo-stub}}
* {{tl|PierceWI-geo-stub}}
* {{tl|PolkWI-geo-stub}}
* {{tl|PortageWI-geo-stub}}
* {{tl|PriceWI-geo-stub}}
* {{tl|RacineWI-geo-stub}}
* {{tl|RichlandWI-geo-stub}}
* {{tl|RockWI-geo-stub}}
* {{tl|RuskWI-geo-stub}}
* {{tl|SaintCroixWI-geo-stub}}
* {{tl|SaukWI-geo-stub}}
* {{tl|SawyerWI-geo-stub}}
* {{tl|ShawanoWI-geo-stub}}
* {{tl|SheboyganWI-geo-stub}}
* {{tl|TaylorWI-geo-stub}}
* {{tl|TrempealeauWI-geo-stub}}
* {{tl|VernonWI-geo-stub}}
* {{tl|VilasWI-geo-stub}}
* {{tl|WalworthWI-geo-stub}}
* {{tl|WashburnWI-geo-stub}}
* {{tl|WashingtonWI-geo-stub}}
* {{tl|WaukeshaWI-geo-stub}}
* {{tl|WaupacaWI-geo-stub}}
* {{tl|WausharaWI-geo-stub}}
* {{tl|WinnebagoWI-geo-stub}}
* {{tl|WoodWI-geo-stub}}
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[[User:Dawynn|Dawynn]] ([[User talk:Dawynn|talk]]) 11:32, 24 June 2011 (UTC)
: Support looks like a good move. [[User:Waacstats|Waacstats]] ([[User talk:Waacstats|talk]]) 20:23, 26 June 2011 (UTC)
:'''Support''' all. --[[User:Ser Amantio di Nicolao|<span style="font-family:Old English Text MT;">Ser Amantio di Nicolao</span>]]<sup>[[User_talk:Ser Amantio di Nicolao|''Che dicono a Signa?'']]</sup><sub>[[Special:Contributions/Ser Amantio di Nicolao|'''Lo dicono a Signa.''']]</sub> 20:19, 27 June 2011 (UTC)
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===Antarctica, part II===
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Some good news, some bad news, some good news, and some even better news.

First, the good news. {{cl|Antarctica geography stubs}} is now almost empty, and one of its two (very) oversized subcategories has dropped from 4500 stubs to about 2000 stubs. Now the bad news - {{cl|Ross Dependency geography stubs}} is already over 2000 stubs and will probably peak at around 3000 (RD is the most widely explored part of the continent).

Now for the other good news. About 35-40% of those stubs are Victoria Land stubs, so a {{tl|VictoriaLand-geo-stub}}/{{cl|Victoria Land geography stubs}} is more than viable - it will mean there are still oversized categories, but they will be a Ross one of 2000 and a VL one of 1000, rather than a Ross one of 3000. Further splitting that that would be pretty difficult, but at least they will be a ''fairly'' manageable size. A split-out of Ross Island stubs ({{tl|RossIsland-geo-stub}}/{{cl|Ross Island geography stubs}}) would probably be worthwhile too - it would remove about 150 stubs. Even better news - I've been categorising all the Ross Dependency stubs as I go, so it should be an easy task for a bot to find anything categorised in one of the Victoria Land and Ross Island categories and swap the stub templates over. Sound good? [[User:Grutness|Grutness]]...''[[User_talk:Grutness|<small style="color:#008822;">wha?</small>]]'' 09:10, 24 June 2011 (UTC)
:Well done on the sorting of Antarctica, and '''support''' this further sorting. [[User:Waacstats|Waacstats]] ([[User talk:Waacstats|talk]]) 20:22, 26 June 2011 (UTC)
:'''Support''', as one of the prime offenders in getting it all to this size in the first place. --[[User:Ser Amantio di Nicolao|<span style="font-family:Old English Text MT;">Ser Amantio di Nicolao</span>]]<sup>[[User_talk:Ser Amantio di Nicolao|''Che dicono a Signa?'']]</sup><sub>[[Special:Contributions/Ser Amantio di Nicolao|'''Lo dicono a Signa.''']]</sub> 20:19, 27 June 2011 (UTC)
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==={{tl|Modern-art-stub}}/{{cl|Modern art stubs}}===
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A broad but useful division of the art stubs, with many editors specializing in this area.  This would be the first chronological/movement type of art stub, the others being focused on medium of expression (painting, sculpture, etc) which I would consider a complementary classification.  Part of the working role of this would be at [[Wikipedia:GLAM/MoMA]], which is interested in developing modern art articles very broadly.--[[User:Pharos|Pharos]] ([[User talk:Pharos|talk]]) 20:06, 22 June 2011 (UTC)
*''Very'' broad... would it be better to go for several smaller types by movement, e.g., {{tl|Expressionist-art-stub}}, {{tl|Cubist-art-stub}}, {{tl|Surrealist-art-stub}}, {{tl|Minimalist-art-stub}}? [[User:Grutness|Grutness]]...''[[User_talk:Grutness|<small style="color:#008822;">wha?</small>]]'' 00:28, 23 June 2011 (UTC)
**<s>(PS - this isn't an objection to the proposed split, which seems fine, just a suggestion)</s> [[User:Grutness|Grutness]]...''[[User_talk:Grutness|<small style="color:#008822;">wha?</small>]]'' 09:11, 24 June 2011 (UTC)
* Have nothing against, but I find WikiProject based classification more useful ([http://toolserver.org/~enwp10/bin/list2.fcgi?run=yes&projecta=Museum_of_Modern_Art-related&quality=Stub-Class example]), as (1) focuses tagging to articles editors are actually interested in upgrading; (2) is not just a temporary classification but one which stays on after the article is brought to higher quality; (3) does not add that unnecessary and unattractive line at the bottom of the article.  Whit other words, what I am suggesting as an alternative is to start a Modern art [[Wikipedia:WikiProject Council/Guide/Task forces|Task force]] within [[Wikipedia:WikiProject Arts]]. Than simply run a bot to tag all articles within scope, and you get a full picture not only of the stubs but of articles of all qualities. --[[User:Elekhh|Elekhh]] ([[User talk:Elekhh|talk]]) 20:38, 26 June 2011 (UTC)
**Sounds like you're actually wanting an assessment template rather than a stub template. Stub templates only stay on articles while they are stubs, so they're not a permanent classification - and that unattractive line is necessary for stubs, since they are trying to ttract random editors to edit an article (and not just members of a WikiProject who already know about them). In other words, you're confusing stub articles and Stub-Class articles - two completely different things. Have a look at [[Wikipedia:STUB#Stub_types.2C_WikiProjects.2C_and_Assessment_templates]]. [[User:Grutness|Grutness]]...''[[User_talk:Grutness|<small style="color:#008822;">wha?</small>]]'' 01:32, 27 June 2011 (UTC)
***Well, a task force would have its benefits too, though I don't really see them as contradictory notions at all.--[[User:Pharos|Pharos]] ([[User talk:Pharos|talk]]) 19:32, 27 June 2011 (UTC)
:*I think there are too many already [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Art_stubs], a {{Modern-art-stub}} is ok, lets do it, but then who gets it? a Picasso type artist? what about Jeff Koons? or James Turrell? then we might need a {{tl|Post-modern-art-stub}} or an {{tl|Installation-art-stub}}, I think the stub is a temporary tag and should be kept as simple and broad as possible...[[User:Modernist|Modernist]] ([[User talk:Modernist|talk]]) 20:06, 27 June 2011 (UTC)
::*Yes, I think we should probably create {{tl|Modern-art-stub}} first, and then figure out how many subcategories of more specific stubs under that (eg possibly {{tl|Expressionist-art-stub}}, {{tl|Cubist-art-stub}}, {{tl|Surrealist-art-stub}}, {{tl|Minimalist-art-stub}}, {{tl|Post-modern-art-stub}}, {{tl|Installation-art-stub}}, etc).--[[User:Pharos|Pharos]] ([[User talk:Pharos|talk]]) 19:20, 28 June 2011 (UTC)
*Pharos, the two notions are not contradictory, as you point out - but the question is what do the people arguing here want? Elekh's comments made it clear that what he's looking for is NOT a stub template. Modernist seems a little confused, too, in that the notion of having "too many" stub templates is not something that is because of any desire to have more stub templates, but simply through the orthogonal splitting of stub types and the proliferation of art-related stub articles - it is in part forced by the necessity of keeping stub categories at a reasonable size, and is also useful in terms of attracting editors from different backgrounds (a Bulgarian biographer might stumble in through Bulgaria-artist-stub, for example). <s>I'm not against the proposed stub type, but at the moment, I'd '''oppose''' the proposal as it stands, simply on the grounds that it sounds as though there's a general misunderstanding here of what a modern-art-stub would be, why it would be needed, and who would be primarily using it</s>. It's not primarily for use by the task force of a WikiProject in order to organise articles for that task force - you'd use an assessment template for that. It's primarily for use by WP:WSS in order to organise stub articles across the whole of Wikipedia for all editors. There is also the quite justifiable question of what "Modern art" actually is, though that is largely determined by the permcat {{cl|Modern art}}, itself determined by the key article [[Modern art]]. I'd suggest this needs a bit more thought, both in terms of what is required and also in terms of how any such split should proceed. [[User:Grutness|Grutness]]...''[[User_talk:Grutness|<small style="color:#008822;">wha?</small>]]'' 01:23, 29 June 2011 (UTC)
:*Okay - conversations offlist with Pharos have convinced me that this is worth doing, but please, any others who may be using it - read up on what a stub template is! [[User:Grutness|Grutness]]...''[[User_talk:Grutness|<small style="color:#008822;">wha?</small>]]'' 00:16, 1 July 2011 (UTC)
::*I'm well aware of what a stub template is, hence my comment above. Regardless, the problem you raised about what is defined as "modern" is also an important one, as the limits are not easy to set clearly. For instance there has been over the last months a tendency to [[Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Architecture/Archive 5#Categorizing late 20th and 21st century architecture by style|add all 20th and 21th century art]] articles into modern art categories (often together with postmodern and contemporary art categories), and the same is being carried out on Commons. --[[User:Elekhh|Elekhh]] ([[User talk:Elekhh|talk]]) 03:18, 1 July 2011 (UTC)
:::*Oops - apologies - I seem to have completely misread your original comments. It seems we were in agreement on that point all along! :) As to what modern art is, it is a problem, though with any luck the article and permanent category give some indications (it's a problem I'm well-acquainted with in my non-wikipedia job as an arts reviewer and painter!). My own personal preference is that it relates to styles which have developed since (and including) impressionism, but there are as many definitions as there are writers on the subject. I'd suggest that a basic modern-art-stub template would be the best immediate solution, using the definitions at [[Modern art]], with more templates for particular movements if and as required. [[User:Grutness|Grutness]]...''[[User_talk:Grutness|<small style="color:#008822;">wha?</small>]]'' 08:30, 1 July 2011 (UTC)
::::*Can we go forward with creating this one now?--[[User:Pharos|Pharos]] ([[User talk:Pharos|talk]]) 17:25, 11 August 2011 (UTC)
::::**Yes - it's on the list to do, I don't see any reason why not tpo start it now. Here you go :) [[User:Grutness|Grutness]]...''[[User_talk:Grutness|<small style="color:#008822;">wha?</small>]]'' 01:24, 12 August 2011 (UTC)
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==={{cl|United States Senator stubs}}/{{tl|US-Senate-stub}}===
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There are 326 US Senators who have articles that are stubs.  While it is normally customary to sort US politicians by state and then by office, I don't think that any state would ever be viable.  This category would be in addition to the state/office template/category, and would be a subcategory of {{cl|American politician stubs}}.  Thoughts?
See catscan: [http://toolserver.org/~daniel/WikiSense/CategoryIntersect.php?wikilang=en&wikifam=.wikipedia.org&basecat=American+politician+stubs&basedeep=3&mode=cs&tagcat=United+States+Senators&tagdeep=3&go=Scan&format=html&userlang=en]
:'''Support''' - I tend to agree.  Especially as the number's never likely to get any larger, given the depth of coverage of any new senators in the future. --[[User:Ser Amantio di Nicolao|<span style="font-family:Old English Text MT;">Ser Amantio di Nicolao</span>]]<sup>[[User_talk:Ser Amantio di Nicolao|''Che dicono a Signa?'']]</sup><sub>[[Special:Contributions/Ser Amantio di Nicolao|'''Lo dicono a Signa.''']]</sub> 21:20, 22 June 2011 (UTC)
::I'm fairly neutral on this but would the template be better at {{Tl|US-Senator-stub}} as it is conceivable that at some point in te future we may want {{tl|US-senate-stub}} for articles about the senate in general? [[User:Waacstats|Waacstats]] ([[User talk:Waacstats|talk]]) 11:41, 23 June 2011 (UTC)
:::I'm flexible.  I did it the way I did because of the state tags, for example {{tl|Massachusetts-MASenate-stub}}.  But there's also {{tl|Massachusetts-Representative-stub}} for members of the US House, and I suppose that your alternative is closer to that. <sup>~</sup>[[User:Gosox5555|<span style="color:#0A00C4;">Gosox</span>]]<sup>([[User_talk:Gosox5555|<span style="color:red;">55</span>]])</sup><sub>([[Special:Contributions/Gosox5555|<span style="color:gray;">55</span>]])</sub> 21:54, 23 June 2011 (UTC)
:I'm tentatively changing proposed category name to {{cl|Members of the United States Senate stubs}} per recent STfDs. Thoughts?<sup>~</sup>[[User:Gosox5555|<span style="color:#0A00C4;">Gosox</span>]]<sup>([[User_talk:Gosox5555|<span style="color:red;">55</span>]])</sup><sub>([[Special:Contributions/Gosox5555|<span style="color:gray;">55</span>]])</sub> 17:09, 1 July 2011 (UTC)
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===Split of {{cl|Caribbean Netherlands stubs}}===
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This currently includes articles about the former (pre-2010 dissolution) [[Netherlands Antilles]].  Some are related to the [[Caribbean Netherlands]] (Bonaire, Saba, and Sint Eustatius), but others are related to Curacao, Sint Maarten, or Aruba, which are separate entities not part of the [[Caribbean Netherlands]].  The category should be split into {{cl|Caribbean Netherlands stubs}}, {{cl|Curaçao stubs}}, {{cl|Sint Maarten stubs}}, and {{cl|Aruba stubs}}. Maybe we need to restore {{cl|Netherlands Antilles stubs}}--having it replaced by {{cl|Caribbean Netherlands stubs}} is like replacing {{cl|Yugoslavia stubs}} with {{cl|Serbia stubs}}. [[User:Goustien|Goustien]] ([[User talk:Goustien|talk]]) 15:23, 21 June 2011 (UTC)
:* '''Support''' restoration of a {{tl|NetherlandsAntilles-stub}} with changed verbiage indicating that it is for the historical entiry.  (Similar to what we do with Yugoslavia, Korea, and the USSR).  Upmerge to {{cl|Caribbean stubs}} for now, since the majority of these articles can be assigned to the appropriate island(s).
:* '''Oppose''' creation of a {{cl|Sint Maarten stubs}} for now.  Keep filling {{tl|SintMaarten-stub}} until it reaches proper size.  (Currently 49 pages)
:[[User:Dawynn|Dawynn]] ([[User talk:Dawynn|talk]]) 20:01, 21 June 2011 (UTC)
*Agree with Dawynn - a NA template would be appropriate, so I support that, but there aren't enough stubs for a separate category for it or for Sint Maarten, so they should be/remain upmerged. [[User:Grutness|Grutness]]...''[[User_talk:Grutness|<small style="color:#008822;">wha?</small>]]'' 01:44, 22 June 2011 (UTC)
:'''Support''' per Dawynn. --[[User:Ser Amantio di Nicolao|<span style="font-family:Old English Text MT;">Ser Amantio di Nicolao</span>]]<sup>[[User_talk:Ser Amantio di Nicolao|''Che dicono a Signa?'']]</sup><sub>[[Special:Contributions/Ser Amantio di Nicolao|'''Lo dicono a Signa.''']]</sub> 21:20, 22 June 2011 (UTC)

:After reviewing the articles, I would support a restoration or rebuild of {{cl|Netherlands Antilles stubs}}, as long as the verbiage reflects that this is a historical entity.  The following templates can be placed under this category:
:* {{tl|NetherlandsAntilles-stub}} (33 P)
:*: Articles that cover the NA as a historical entity.
:* {{tl|NetherlandsAntilles-footy-bio-stub}} (29 P)
:*: Players that played for the NA national team
:* {{tl|NetherlandsAntilles-politician-stub}} (7 P)
:*: Former prime ministers of the NA, and other political figures that represented the NA as a whole.
:* {{tl|NetherlandsAntilles-athletics-bio-stub}} (2 P)
:*: Athletes that represented the NA at the olympics, or other international events.
:Total of 71 articles. [[User:Dawynn|Dawynn]] ([[User talk:Dawynn|talk]]) 12:08, 28 June 2011 (UTC)
::Interesting.  Now that the Netherlands Antilles articles have been removed, the Caribbean Netherlands will be struggling to make a full category.  36 articles currently.  [[User:Dawynn|Dawynn]] ([[User talk:Dawynn|talk]]) 14:51, 29 June 2011 (UTC)
:::I think I found the problem.  No one had connected the -geo- stub for the BES islands to {{cl|Caribbean Netherlands stubs}}.  I think, once the job queue catches up, it should be just over the minimum now. [[User:Dawynn|Dawynn]] ([[User talk:Dawynn|talk]]) 19:55, 29 June 2011 (UTC)
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===Split of {{cl|Smerinthinae stubs}}===
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I realize that {{cl|Smerinthinae stubs}} is yet to be built, but it was approved last month.  Proposing that instead of one single category with over 450 articles, that this be split by tribe:
* {{cl|Ambulycini stubs}} / {{tl|Ambulycini-stub}}.  107 P.
* {{cl|Smerinthini stubs}} / {{tl|Smerinthini-stub}}.  329 P.
* {{tl|Sphingulini-stub}}.  31 P.
I don't see any further nice breakdowns for the Smerinthini.  [[User:Dawynn|Dawynn]] ([[User talk:Dawynn|talk]]) 11:40, 21 June 2011 (UTC)
:'''Support'''. --[[User:Ser Amantio di Nicolao|<span style="font-family:Old English Text MT;">Ser Amantio di Nicolao</span>]]<sup>[[User_talk:Ser Amantio di Nicolao|''Che dicono a Signa?'']]</sup><sub>[[Special:Contributions/Ser Amantio di Nicolao|'''Lo dicono a Signa.''']]</sub>
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===Split of {{cl|Wisconsin politician stubs}}===
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Hello stub sorters!  I've returned from a 5-month WikiBreak!  I found this category that needs some work, it's almost to 600.  As I said, i've been on wikibreak, so let me know if there's any changes to these that should be made.  I'd like to have these done by the start of July, as I'll be going on vacation for a while, so approval speed is greatly appreciated.
* {{tl|Wisconsin-WIAssembly-stub}}/{{cl|Members of the Wisconsin State Assembly stubs}} (see [catscan http://toolserver.org/~daniel/WikiSense/CategoryIntersect.php?wikilang=en&wikifam=.wikipedia.org&basecat=Wisconsin+politician+stubs&basedeep=3&mode=cs&tagcat=Members+of+the+Wisconsin+State+Assembly&tagdeep=3&go=Scan&format=html&userlang=en]) (I changed the naming precedent based on this [STfD http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Stub_types_for_deletion#New_York_Assembly_Member_stubs].)
* {{tl|Wisconsin-Representative-stub}}/{{cl|Wisconsin United States Representative stubs}} (see [catscan http://toolserver.org/~daniel/WikiSense/CategoryIntersect.php?wikilang=en&wikifam=.wikipedia.org&basecat=Wisconsin+politician+stubs&basedeep=3&mode=cs&tagcat=Members+of+the+United+States+House+of+Representatives+from+Wisconsin&tagdeep=3&go=Scan&format=html&userlang=en])
* {{tl|Wisconsin-WISenate-stub}}/{{cl|Wisconsin State Senator stubs}} (see [catscan http://toolserver.org/~daniel/WikiSense/CategoryIntersect.php?wikilang=en&wikifam=.wikipedia.org&basecat=Wisconsin+politician+stubs&basedeep=3&mode=cs&tagcat=Wisconsin+State+Senators&tagdeep=3&go=Scan&format=html&userlang=en])
<sup>~</sup>[[User:Gosox5555|<span style="color:#0A00C4;">Gosox</span>]]<sup>([[User_talk:Gosox5555|<span style="color:red;">55</span>]])</sup><sub>([[Special:Contributions/Gosox5555|<span style="color:gray;">55</span>]])</sub> 22:36, 19 June 2011 (UTC)
:'''Support''' all. --[[User:Ser Amantio di Nicolao|<span style="font-family:Old English Text MT;">Ser Amantio di Nicolao</span>]]<sup>[[User_talk:Ser Amantio di Nicolao|''Che dicono a Signa?'']]</sup><sub>[[Special:Contributions/Ser Amantio di Nicolao|'''Lo dicono a Signa.''']]</sub> 14:44, 20 June 2011 (UTC)
::Sadly made too quickly, before the plural error could be pointed out (which is why one of these is now at SFD for renaming!The discussion period is there for a reason... (but welcome back, for all that :) [[User:Grutness|Grutness]]...''[[User_talk:Grutness|<small style="color:#008822;">wha?</small>]]'' 01:29, 24 June 2011 (UTC)
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==={{cl|Newfoundland and Labrador geography stubs}}===
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This category is getting pretty sizable, and just shy of 1000 stubs. I can think of one nice, simple way of splitting it in two: 
*{{tl|Labrador-geo-stub}}/{{cl|Labrador geography stubs}}. The template's currently a little-used redirect; splitting it out would be a quick and easy solution, but it would likely still leave two pretty big categories.

The other alternative would be more comprehensive - geographically Labrador seems to be divided into five geographical areas:
*{{tl|Nunatsiavut-geo-stub}}
*{{tl|CentralLabrador-geo-stub}}
*{{tl|WesternLabrador-geo-stub}}
*{{tl|NunatuKavut-geo-stub}}
*{{tl|LabradorStraits-geo-stub}}
Astoundingly, Newfoundland doesn't seem to be split in any way other than its [[List_of_census_divisions_of_Newfoundland_and_Labrador|ten census divisions]] (the eleventh is Labrador), names for the ten stubs, if we use this method, could be difficult to assign.  For now, perhaps just splitting out the redirect and coming back to the problem later is the easiest way...[[User:Grutness|Grutness]]...''[[User_talk:Grutness|<small style="color:#008822;">wha?</small>]]'' 05:08, 19 June 2011 (UTC)
:'''Support''' all. --[[User:Ser Amantio di Nicolao|<span style="font-family:Old English Text MT;">Ser Amantio di Nicolao</span>]]<sup>[[User_talk:Ser Amantio di Nicolao|''Che dicono a Signa?'']]</sup><sub>[[Special:Contributions/Ser Amantio di Nicolao|'''Lo dicono a Signa.''']]</sub> 14:44, 20 June 2011 (UTC)
I only created the basic Labrador one. Sadly, N&L seems to be a neglected area of Wiipedia. There are lots of stubs for towns, but almost nothing on lakes, rivers, mountains... very sadly neglected. Because of that, only abut 100 of the stubs were in Labrador. [[User:Grutness|Grutness]]...''[[User_talk:Grutness|<small style="color:#008822;">wha?</small>]]'' 04:41, 3 July 2011 (UTC)
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==={{Cl|Swedish politician stubs}} split===
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Another politician stubcat heading in the wrong direction, propose
*{{tl|Sweden-Centre-politician-stub}} - {{Cl|Centre Party (Sweden) politician stubs}}
*{{tl|Sweden-LiberalPeople-politician-stub}} - {{Cl|Liberal People's Party (Sweden) politician stubs}}
*{{tl|Sweden-Moderate-politician-stub}} - {{Cl|Moderate Party politician stubs}}
*{{tl|Sweden-SocialDemocratic-politician-stub}} - {{Cl|Swedish Social Democratic Party politician stubs}}
Should bring this down to a managable level. [[User:Waacstats|Waacstats]] ([[User talk:Waacstats|talk]]) 23:14, 17 June 2011 (UTC)
:'''Support''' all. --[[User:Ser Amantio di Nicolao|<span style="font-family:Old English Text MT;">Ser Amantio di Nicolao</span>]]<sup>[[User_talk:Ser Amantio di Nicolao|''Che dicono a Signa?'']]</sup><sub>[[Special:Contributions/Ser Amantio di Nicolao|'''Lo dicono a Signa.''']]</sub> 14:44, 20 June 2011 (UTC)
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==={{Cl|Australian Labor Party politician stubs}} split===
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Another politician stubcat heding in the wrong direction, propose
*{{tl|Australia-Labor-representative-stub}} - {{Cl|Australia Labor Party, Representative stubs}}
*{{tl|Australia-Labor-senator-stub}} - {{Cl|Australia Labor Party, Senator stubs}}
Should bring this down to a managable level. [[User:Waacstats|Waacstats]] ([[User talk:Waacstats|talk]]) 21:33, 17 June 2011 (UTC)
:'''Support'''. --[[User:Ser Amantio di Nicolao|<span style="font-family:Old English Text MT;">Ser Amantio di Nicolao</span>]]<sup>[[User_talk:Ser Amantio di Nicolao|''Che dicono a Signa?'']]</sup><sub>[[Special:Contributions/Ser Amantio di Nicolao|'''Lo dicono a Signa.''']]</sub> 14:47, 20 June 2011 (UTC)
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==={{Cl|Ontario MPP stubs}} split===
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Another Canadian politician stubcat heding in the wrong direction, propose
*{{tl|ProgressiveConservative-Ontario-MPP-stub}} - {{Cl|Progressive Conservative Party, Ontario MPP stubs}}
*{{tl|Liberal-Ontario-MPP-stub}} - {{Cl|Liberal Party, Ontario MPP stubs}}
Should bring this down to a managable level. [[User:Waacstats|Waacstats]] ([[User talk:Waacstats|talk]]) 21:33, 17 June 2011 (UTC)
:'''Support'''. --[[User:Ser Amantio di Nicolao|<span style="font-family:Old English Text MT;">Ser Amantio di Nicolao</span>]]<sup>[[User_talk:Ser Amantio di Nicolao|''Che dicono a Signa?'']]</sup><sub>[[Special:Contributions/Ser Amantio di Nicolao|'''Lo dicono a Signa.''']]</sub> 14:46, 20 June 2011 (UTC)
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==={{cl|Spanish sculptor stubs}}===
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'''Speedy proposal.'''  To pick up {{tl|Spain-sculptor-stub}}.  61 Pages. [[User:Dawynn|Dawynn]] ([[User talk:Dawynn|talk]]) 18:47, 13 June 2011 (UTC)
*'''Support''' speedy. --[[User:Ser Amantio di Nicolao|<span style="font-family:Old English Text MT;">Ser Amantio di Nicolao</span>]]<sup>[[User_talk:Ser Amantio di Nicolao|''Che dicono a Signa?'']]</sup><sub>[[Special:Contributions/Ser Amantio di Nicolao|'''Lo dicono a Signa.''']]</sub> 14:56, 14 June 2011 (UTC)
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===Antarctica===
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'''SUBSEQUENT NOTE: AntarcticPeninsula-geo-stub and its category were created and later deleted via SFD after they were found to be superfluous. If working through this page to see what need creating, DO NOT recreate them. [[User:Grutness|Grutness]]...''[[User_talk:Grutness|<small style="color:#008822;">wha?</small>]]'' 00:39, 14 July 2011 (UTC)

{{cl|Antarctica geography stubs}} and its subcategories are still a nightmare of epic proportions, stubwise. I'd like to propose the following stub types, each of which should reach threshold several times over, which will hopefully reduce these massive cats:
*{{tl|AdélieLand-geo-stub}} / {{cl|Adélie Land geography stubs}} (with unaccented redirect) (category iff threshold reached)
*{{tl|SouthOrkneys-geo-stub}} / {{cl|South Orkney Islands geography stubs}} (category iff threshold reached)
*{{tl|QueenMaryLand-geo-stub}} / {{cl|Queen Mary Land geography stubs}} (category iff threshold reached)
*{{tl|MarieByrdLand-geo-stub}} / {{cl|Marie Byrd Land geography stubs}} (category iff threshold reached)
*{{tl|WilkesLand-geo-stub}} / {{cl|Wilkes Land geography stubs}} (category iff threshold reached)
*{{tl|EllsworthLand-geo-stub}} / {{cl|Ellsworth Land geography stubs}} (category iff threshold reached)
*{{tl|AntarcticPeninsula-geo-stub}} / {{cl|Antarctic Peninsula geography stubs}} (category iff threshold reached)
Hopefully, that should at least start to solve this mammoth problem! [[User:Grutness|Grutness]]...''[[User_talk:Grutness|<small style="color:#008822;">wha?</small>]]'' 02:33, 12 June 2011 (UTC)
:This should help with one of the hardest areas of the world to split in terms of geo stubs. [[User:Waacstats|Waacstats]] ([[User talk:Waacstats|talk]]) 13:01, 13 June 2011 (UTC)
*'''Support''' all. --[[User:Ser Amantio di Nicolao|<span style="font-family:Old English Text MT;">Ser Amantio di Nicolao</span>]]<sup>[[User_talk:Ser Amantio di Nicolao|''Che dicono a Signa?'']]</sup><sub>[[Special:Contributions/Ser Amantio di Nicolao|'''Lo dicono a Signa.''']]</sub> 14:57, 14 June 2011 (UTC)
'''Update:''' In case anyone's wondering why I've made three but not the rest, I'm starting with the East Antarctica ones before doing the West Antarctica group... sifting through 3500 EAntarctica stubs takes time. There will be more splits proposed once these are done, BTW, including dealing with the brimming South Shetlands category. Once this is done, I'll never want to see another Antarctica stub as long as I live. It feels a bit like rearrangeing the deckchairs on the Titanic, only there are thousands of stubby icebergs (literally!) The good news is that the main {{cl|Antarctica geography stubs}} now has only about 50 unsubcategorised stubs! [[User:Grutness|Grutness]]...''[[User_talk:Grutness|<small style="color:#008822;">wha?</small>]]'' 11:53, 22 June 2011 (UTC)
:Four types done now - only some 7250 stubs that will need manual sorting to go. East Antarctica down to 1700 stubs. Now for the west (over 4000!)... [[User:Grutness|Grutness]]...''[[User_talk:Grutness|<small style="color:#008822;">wha?</small>]]'' 12:26, 27 June 2011 (UTC)
::'''Another update:''' Looks like Antarctic Peninsula will require a split once this is done. NB - for anyone silly enough to help out with this (not a hint, I'm quite happy chugging away at it), whoever made the stubs originally was either very sloppy with applying details of where they are or the boundaries have changed (very probably the latter). A lot of the articles categorised as Ellsworth Land aren't anywhere near Ellsworth Land, for instance. I'm working by the Lat/Long coordinates rather than trusting the text for most of the stubs... [[User:Grutness|Grutness]]...''[[User_talk:Grutness|<small style="color:#008822;">wha?</small>]]'' 08:52, 28 June 2011 (UTC)
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==={{Cl|English football biography stubs}} split===
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*{{tl|England-footy-defender-1990s-stub}} - {{Cl|English football defender, 1990s birth stubs}}
*{{tl|England-footy-midfielder-1880s-stub}} - {{Cl|English football midfielder, 1880s birth stubs}}
*{{tl|England-footy-forward-1990s-stub}} - {{Cl|English football forward, 1990s birth stubs}}
upmerged templates have past 60 any objections to speedy cats. [[User:Waacstats|Waacstats]] ([[User talk:Waacstats|talk]]) 13:17, 10 June 2011 (UTC)
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==={{Cl|Politician stubs}} split===
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*{{tl|Guatemala-politician-stub}} - {{Cl|Guatemalan politician stubs}}
*{{tl|Bolivia-politician-stub}} - {{Cl|Bolivian politician stubs}}
*{{tl|BurkinaFaso-politician-stub}} - {{Cl|Burkinabé  politician stubs}}
upmerged templates have past 60 any objections to speedy cats. [[User:Waacstats|Waacstats]] ([[User talk:Waacstats|talk]]) 13:17, 10 June 2011 (UTC)
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==={{Cl|Quebec politician stubs}} split===
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Category is heading in the wrong direction close to 800 propose
*{{tl|Quebec-senator-stub}} - {{Cl|Quebec senator stubs}}
*{{tl|Quebec-MNA-stub}} - {{Cl|Quebec MNA stubs}}
**{{tl|Conservative-Quebec-MNA-stub}} - {{Cl|Conservative Party, Quebec MNA stubs}}
**{{tl|Liberal-Quebec-MNA-stub}} - {{Cl|Liberal Party, Quebec MNA stubs}}
**{{tl|PartiQuébécois-Quebec-MNA-stub}} - {{Cl|Parti Québécois, Quebec MNA stubs}}
Should bring this down to a managable level. [[User:Waacstats|Waacstats]] ([[User talk:Waacstats|talk]]) 13:17, 10 June 2011 (UTC)
*'''Support'''. --[[User:Ser Amantio di Nicolao|<span style="font-family:Old English Text MT;">Ser Amantio di Nicolao</span>]]<sup>[[User_talk:Ser Amantio di Nicolao|''Che dicono a Signa?'']]</sup><sub>[[Special:Contributions/Ser Amantio di Nicolao|'''Lo dicono a Signa.''']]</sub> 14:57, 14 June 2011 (UTC)
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==={{Cl|Nova Scotia politician stubs}} split===
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Category is heading in the wrong direction close to 800 propose
*{{tl|NovaScotia-MLA-stub}} - {{Cl|Nova Scotia MLA stubs}}
**{{tl|ProgressiveConservative-NovaScotia-MLA-stub}} - {{Cl|Progressive Conservative Party, Nova Scotia MLA stubs}}
**{{tl|Liberal-NovaScotia-MLA-stub}} - {{Cl|Liberal Party, Nova Scotia MLA stubs}}
Should bring this down to a managable level. [[User:Waacstats|Waacstats]] ([[User talk:Waacstats|talk]]) 13:17, 10 June 2011 (UTC)
*'''Support'''. --[[User:Ser Amantio di Nicolao|<span style="font-family:Old English Text MT;">Ser Amantio di Nicolao</span>]]<sup>[[User_talk:Ser Amantio di Nicolao|''Che dicono a Signa?'']]</sup><sub>[[Special:Contributions/Ser Amantio di Nicolao|'''Lo dicono a Signa.''']]</sub> 14:57, 14 June 2011 (UTC)
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==={{Cl|New Zealand politician stubs}}===
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Category is creeping up, could probably do with a spring clean but the following should be viable
*{{Tl|NZLiberal-politician-stub}} - {{Cl|New Zealand Liberal Party politician stubs}}
[[User:Waacstats|Waacstats]] ([[User talk:Waacstats|talk]]) 13:17, 10 June 2011 (UTC)
:Support, but not at that name - make it {{tl|NewZealand-Liberal-politician-stub}}, and you've got a deal! No objection to a {{tl|NZ-Liberal...}} redirect. Note however that there have been two separate parties with that name, one in the late 19th-early 20th century, and one in the 1980s-1990s. I doubt you'd find enough politicians (or even ''supporters'' of the latter to pass threshold, though!) [[User:Grutness|Grutness]]...''[[User_talk:Grutness|<small style="color:#008822;">wha?</small>]]'' 01:34, 11 June 2011 (UTC)
::In that case we need to rename the templates for the existing two subcats as these are at {{tl|NZNational-politician-stub}} and {[tl|NZLabour-politician-stub}}. [[User:Waacstats|Waacstats]] ([[User talk:Waacstats|talk]]) 07:43, 11 June 2011 (UTC)
:::Mmmmm. Didn't realise we had them (though it makes sense that we do). If this is regarded as the appropriate way of naming NZ politician templates, then I'm happy enough for it to stay this way... just looks odd compared to other countries - we have {{tl|UK-Labour-MP-stub}} and {{tl|Australia-Labor-politician-stub}}, for instance. [[User:Grutness|Grutness]]...''[[User_talk:Grutness|<small style="color:#008822;">wha?</small>]]'' 01:37, 12 June 2011 (UTC)
*'''Support'''. --[[User:Ser Amantio di Nicolao|<span style="font-family:Old English Text MT;">Ser Amantio di Nicolao</span>]]<sup>[[User_talk:Ser Amantio di Nicolao|''Che dicono a Signa?'']]</sup><sub>[[Special:Contributions/Ser Amantio di Nicolao|'''Lo dicono a Signa.''']]</sub> 14:58, 14 June 2011 (UTC)
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===A handful more astronomy stub types===
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While working through the eclipse stubs, I've uncovered what could be a few more useful stub types. Two of them seem pretty straightforward:
*{{tl|Sun-stub}} / {{cl|Sun stubs}} (category only if it reaches the 60-stub threshold)
**examples: [[Helioscope]], [[Solar azimuth angle]], [[Tachocline]]
*{{tl|Meteoroid-stub}} / {{cl|Meteoroid stubs}} (i.e., meteorites, meteors, meteor showers) (category only if it reaches the 60-stub threshold)
**examples: [[Ataxite]], [[Beta Taurids]], [[Neumann line]]
Sun-stub would have ''at least'' 35-40 stubs, though {{cl|Solar eclipse stubs}} (of which there are about 400) would be a subtype, so it could probably survive as a separate category even if it only reaches 50 or so. Meteoroid-stub would have ''at least'' 48 stubs, possibly quite a few more - it probably wouldn't take much effort to get it close to 60.

A third possibility is one I'd want to run past WP:Astronomy before committing to it - {{tl|Astrophysics-stub}} / {{cl|Astrophysics stubs}}. I think it would take a large number of the remaining astronomy stubs, but I'm uncertain as to twhat the boundary of what counts as astrophysics is. 
*possible examples (depending on exact definition): [[AB magnitude]], [[Bonnor-Ebert mass]], [[Differential Doppler effect]]

[[User:Grutness|Grutness]]...''[[User_talk:Grutness|<small style="color:#008822;">wha?</small>]]'' 11:26, 10 June 2011 (UTC)
*'''Support'''. --[[User:Ser Amantio di Nicolao|<span style="font-family:Old English Text MT;">Ser Amantio di Nicolao</span>]]<sup>[[User_talk:Ser Amantio di Nicolao|''Che dicono a Signa?'']]</sup><sub>[[Special:Contributions/Ser Amantio di Nicolao|'''Lo dicono a Signa.''']]</sub> 14:59, 14 June 2011 (UTC)
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===Templates for Lower Silesia geography stubs===
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Propose upmerged templates for the remaining land counties for {{cl|Lower Silesia geography stubs}}, namely:
*{{tl|Dzierżoniów-geo-stub}} (redirect: {{tl|Dzierzoniow-geo-stub}}) // {{cl|Dzierżoniów County geography stubs}}
*{{tl|Lubań-geo-stub}} (redirect: {{tl|Luban-geo-stub}}) // {{cl|Lubań County geography stubs}}
*{{tl|Wałbrzych-geo-stub}} (redirect: {{tl|Walbrzych-geo-stub}}) // {{cl|Wałbrzych County geography stubs}}
*{{tl|Złotoryja-geo-stub}} (redirect: {{tl|Zlotoryja-geo-stub}}) // {{cl|Złotoryja County geography stubs}}
Categories only if 60 articles are reached - CatScan puts them all in the 40s and 50s. This leaves only the city counties using the voivodeship level template. [[User:Severo|Severo]]<sup>''[[User talk:Severo|T]][[Special:Contributions/Severo|C]]''</sup> 20:12, 9 June 2011 (UTC)
*'''Support''' all. --[[User:Ser Amantio di Nicolao|<span style="font-family:Old English Text MT;">Ser Amantio di Nicolao</span>]]<sup>[[User_talk:Ser Amantio di Nicolao|''Che dicono a Signa?'']]</sup><sub>[[Special:Contributions/Ser Amantio di Nicolao|'''Lo dicono a Signa.''']]</sub> 20:45, 9 June 2011 (UTC)
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===Split of {{cl|Sculptor stubs}}===
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While I'm on this topic, the following seem viable:
* {{cl|North American sculptor stubs}}.  Parent-only category for
** {{cl|American sculptor stubs}} (existing)
** {{cl|Canadian sculptor stubs}} (existing)
** {{tl|Mexico-sculptor-stub}}
** {{tl|Caribbean-sculptor-stub}}
** {{tl|CentralAm-sculptor-stub}}
* {{tl|Asia-sculptor-stub}} / {{cl|Asian sculptor stubs}}
*: Category only if 60 articles
* {{tl|Oceania-sculptor-stub}} / {{cl|Oceanian sculptor stubs}}
*: Category only if 60 articles
* {{cl|African sculptor stubs}}.  Will pick up ...
** {{tl|Africa-sculptor-stub}} (14 P)
** {{cl|Zimbabwean sculptor stubs}} (existing)
*'''Support''' all. --[[User:Ser Amantio di Nicolao|<span style="font-family:Old English Text MT;">Ser Amantio di Nicolao</span>]]<sup>[[User_talk:Ser Amantio di Nicolao|''Che dicono a Signa?'']]</sup><sub>[[Special:Contributions/Ser Amantio di Nicolao|'''Lo dicono a Signa.''']]</sub> 20:44, 9 June 2011 (UTC)
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==={{cl|European sculptor stubs}}===
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The following were oddly left off of the February 9th request for European sculptor templates:
* {{tl|Poland-sculptor-stub}}
* {{tl|Russia-sculptor-stub}}
* {{tl|Spain-sculptor-stub}}
* {{tl|Ukraine-sculptor-stub}}
[[User:Dawynn|Dawynn]] ([[User talk:Dawynn|talk]]) 18:38, 8 June 2011 (UTC)
*'''Support''' all.  (Don't know how I missed 'em.) --[[User:Ser Amantio di Nicolao|<span style="font-family:Old English Text MT;">Ser Amantio di Nicolao</span>]]<sup>[[User_talk:Ser Amantio di Nicolao|''Che dicono a Signa?'']]</sup><sub>[[Special:Contributions/Ser Amantio di Nicolao|'''Lo dicono a Signa.''']]</sub> 21:33, 8 June 2011 (UTC)
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==={{cl|Crambidae stubs}} split===
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Propose the following:
* {{cl|Acentropinae stubs}} / {{tl|Acentropinae-stub}}.  (91 P)
* {{cl|Crambinae stubs}} / {{tl|Crambinae-stub}}.  (295 P)
* {{tl|Cybalomiinae-stub}}.  (19 P)
* {{tl|Evergestinae-stub}}.  (16 P)
* {{tl|Glaphyriinae-stub}}.  (46 P)
* {{tl|Musotiminae-stub}}.  (27 P)
* {{cl|Odontiinae stubs}} / {{tl|Odontiinae-stub}}.  (97 P)
* {{cl|Pyraustinae stubs}} / {{tl|Pyraustinae-stub}}.  (246 P)
* {{tl|Schoenobiinae-stub}}.  (34 P)
* {{cl|Scopariinae stubs}} / {{tl|Scopariinae-stub}}.  (104 P)
Will leave two families with a total of 16 articles under the Crambidae tag.

[[User:Dawynn|Dawynn]] ([[User talk:Dawynn|talk]]) 16:20, 8 June 2011 (UTC)
*'''Support''' all. --[[User:Ser Amantio di Nicolao|<span style="font-family:Old English Text MT;">Ser Amantio di Nicolao</span>]]<sup>[[User_talk:Ser Amantio di Nicolao|''Che dicono a Signa?'']]</sup><sub>[[Special:Contributions/Ser Amantio di Nicolao|'''Lo dicono a Signa.''']]</sub> 17:54, 8 June 2011 (UTC)
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==={{cl|German sculptor stubs}}===
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Speedy request.  To pick up {{tl|Germany-sculptor-stub}}.  96 articles. [[User:Dawynn|Dawynn]] ([[User talk:Dawynn|talk]]) 12:46, 8 June 2011 (UTC)
:'''Support''' speedy. --[[User:Ser Amantio di Nicolao|<span style="font-family:Old English Text MT;">Ser Amantio di Nicolao</span>]]<sup>[[User_talk:Ser Amantio di Nicolao|''Che dicono a Signa?'']]</sup><sub>[[Special:Contributions/Ser Amantio di Nicolao|'''Lo dicono a Signa.''']]</sub> 15:48, 8 June 2011 (UTC)
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==={{cl|Canadian sculptor stubs}}===
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Speedy request.  To pick up {{tl|Canada-sculptor-stub}}.  63 articles. [[User:Dawynn|Dawynn]] ([[User talk:Dawynn|talk]]) 11:50, 8 June 2011 (UTC)
:'''Support''' speedy. --[[User:Ser Amantio di Nicolao|<span style="font-family:Old English Text MT;">Ser Amantio di Nicolao</span>]]<sup>[[User_talk:Ser Amantio di Nicolao|''Che dicono a Signa?'']]</sup><sub>[[Special:Contributions/Ser Amantio di Nicolao|'''Lo dicono a Signa.''']]</sub> 15:48, 8 June 2011 (UTC)
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===Split of {{cl|South American composer stubs}}===
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Propose the following for speedy creation:
* {{cl|Argentine composer stubs}}.  To pick up {{tl|Argentina-composer-stub}} (69 P).
* {{cl|Brazilian composer stubs}}.  To pick up {{tl|Brazil-composer-stub}} (69 P).
[[User:Dawynn|Dawynn]] ([[User talk:Dawynn|talk]]) 14:54, 7 June 2011 (UTC)
:'''Support''' speedy. --[[User:Ser Amantio di Nicolao|<span style="font-family:Old English Text MT;">Ser Amantio di Nicolao</span>]]<sup>[[User_talk:Ser Amantio di Nicolao|''Che dicono a Signa?'']]</sup><sub>[[Special:Contributions/Ser Amantio di Nicolao|'''Lo dicono a Signa.''']]</sub> 15:49, 8 June 2011 (UTC)
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===New {{cl|Sphinginae stubs}} splits===
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I'm still filling the Sphinginae stubs.  But the following will be able to break out on their own:
* {{cl|Manduca stubs}} / {{tl|Manduca-stub}}.  Perm {{cl|Manduca}}.  (69 P)
* {{cl|Psilogramma stubs}} / {{tl|Psilogramma-stub}}.  Perm {{cl|Psilogramma}}.  (61 P)
[[User:Dawynn|Dawynn]] ([[User talk:Dawynn|talk]]) 10:38, 7 June 2011 (UTC)
:'''Support'''. --[[User:Ser Amantio di Nicolao|<span style="font-family:Old English Text MT;">Ser Amantio di Nicolao</span>]]<sup>[[User_talk:Ser Amantio di Nicolao|''Che dicono a Signa?'']]</sup><sub>[[Special:Contributions/Ser Amantio di Nicolao|'''Lo dicono a Signa.''']]</sub> 15:49, 8 June 2011 (UTC)
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==={{Cl|Gaelic Athletic Association club stubs}} and {{cl|Hurling people stubs}}===
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Creating new stubs based on [[County board]] (geographic region of control) as required. Such as {{Dublin-GAA-club-stub}} or {{tl|Limerick-GAA-Hurling-bio-stub}} [[User:Gnevin|Gnevin]] ([[User talk:Gnevin|talk]]) 19:47, 6 June 2011 (UTC)

:Yes to the first, a split by region seems a reasonable idea - less sure about the second. The usual scheme wth sports bio-stubs is to split by player position or by year of birth - don't know about hurling, but in most sports it's possible for a player to represent any number of clubs during a career but far less likely they'll shift their playing position too much, or their date of birth at all! See the English football split further down this page for an idea of how sports splits normally work. [[User:Grutness|Grutness]]...''[[User_talk:Grutness|<small style="color:#008822;">wha?</small>]]'' 00:46, 7 June 2011 (UTC)
::In hurling is very unlikely a player will move counties. There is no transfer system in Hurling, the only time a player can change county is for economics reasons. This is very rare. Of the teams that play at the highest level the [[All-Ireland Senior Hurling Championship]] I can only think of 1 transfer in the last 3/4 years [[User:Gnevin|Gnevin]] ([[User talk:Gnevin|talk]]) 09:00, 7 June 2011 (UTC)
:::In that case splitting by region makes more sense, so no objections from me. [[User:Grutness|Grutness]]...''[[User_talk:Grutness|<small style="color:#008822;">wha?</small>]]'' 02:39, 8 June 2011 (UTC)
:'''Support''' both. --[[User:Ser Amantio di Nicolao|<span style="font-family:Old English Text MT;">Ser Amantio di Nicolao</span>]]<sup>[[User_talk:Ser Amantio di Nicolao|''Che dicono a Signa?'']]</sup><sub>[[Special:Contributions/Ser Amantio di Nicolao|'''Lo dicono a Signa.''']]</sub> 15:50, 8 June 2011 (UTC)
I'd like to add {{cl|Gaelic football people stubs}} basically same as above [[User:Gnevin|Gnevin]] ([[User talk:Gnevin|talk]]) 23:34, 13 June 2011 (UTC)
:Makes sense, and it looks like it's been pre-empted... [[User:Grutness|Grutness]]...''[[User_talk:Grutness|<small style="color:#008822;">wha?</small>]]'' 01:22, 14 June 2011 (UTC)
::Pre-empted, how so? [[User:Gnevin|Gnevin]] ([[User talk:Gnevin|talk]]) 09:23, 14 June 2011 (UTC)
:::Uh - my fault. I misunderstood - you want to split that category in the same way. Yup - support. Was thinking you wanted to create the category, but it's already a blue link (which is why I thought it was pre-empted). [[User:Grutness|Grutness]]...''[[User_talk:Grutness|<small style="color:#008822;">wha?</small>]]'' 01:44, 15 June 2011 (UTC)
Is there a reason why we have these at ''people'' rather than ''biography'' stubs (i.e. {{cl|Hurling biography stubs}} or {{cl|Gaelic football biography stubs}}) as is the norm at {{cl|Sportspeople stubs by sport}}? [[User:Severo|Severo]]<sup>''[[User talk:Severo|T]][[Special:Contributions/Severo|C]]''</sup> 10:03, 14 June 2011 (UTC)
:Not that I know of [[User:Gnevin|Gnevin]] ([[User talk:Gnevin|talk]]) 11:20, 14 June 2011 (UTC)
::I've changed the cat to reflect the norms [[User:Gnevin|Gnevin]] ([[User talk:Gnevin|talk]]) 23:28, 14 June 2011 (UTC)
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==={{Cl|Cardinal stubs}}===
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Catscan seems to suggest that almost 400 articles could be marked with the existing {{Tl|RC-cardinal-stub}} as I am planning on adding the nationality stub tag to these I was thinking maybe an idea to have a 
*{{tl|Italy-RC-cardinal-stub}} - {{cl|Italian Cardinal stubs}}
which according to catscan would take almost 200 articles. [[User:Waacstats|Waacstats]] ([[User talk:Waacstats|talk]]) 13:57, 3 June 2011 (UTC)
:Support - but should the category have a small c? [[User:Grutness|Grutness]]...''[[User_talk:Grutness|<small style="color:#008822;">wha?</small>]]'' 00:48, 4 June 2011 (UTC)
::Well spotted it should indeed be {{Cl|Italian cardinal stubs}}. [[User:Waacstats|Waacstats]] ([[User talk:Waacstats|talk]]) 19:10, 4 June 2011 (UTC)
:'''Support'''. --[[User:Ser Amantio di Nicolao|<span style="font-family:Old English Text MT;">Ser Amantio di Nicolao</span>]]<sup>[[User_talk:Ser Amantio di Nicolao|''Che dicono a Signa?'']]</sup><sub>[[Special:Contributions/Ser Amantio di Nicolao|'''Lo dicono a Signa.''']]</sub> 15:50, 8 June 2011 (UTC)
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===split of {{cl|English football biography stubs}} subcats===
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the following are viable based on upmerged tempaltes
*{{Tl|England-footy-midfielder-1900s-stub}} - {{Cl|English football midfielder, 1900s birth stubs}}
*{{Tl|England-footy-midfielder-1890s-stub}} - {{Cl|English football midfielder, 1890s birth stubs}}
*{{Tl|England-footy-defender-1870s-stub}} - {{Cl|English football defender, 1870s birth stubs}}
also the current parents will need renaming. [[User:Waacstats|Waacstats]] ([[User talk:Waacstats|talk]]) 11:29, 3 June 2011 (UTC)
:'''Support'''. --[[User:Ser Amantio di Nicolao|<span style="font-family:Old English Text MT;">Ser Amantio di Nicolao</span>]]<sup>[[User_talk:Ser Amantio di Nicolao|''Che dicono a Signa?'']]</sup><sub>[[Special:Contributions/Ser Amantio di Nicolao|'''Lo dicono a Signa.''']]</sub> 15:51, 8 June 2011 (UTC)
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===split of {{Cl|Rabbi stubs}}===
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this category has almost no articles sorted to nationality stubs so I hope to rectify this however the following look likely 
*{{tl|US-rabbi-stub}} - {{Cl|American rabbi stubs}}
*{{tl|Israel-rabbi-stub}} - {{Cl|Israeli rabbi stubs}}
others may follow following tidy up. [[User:Waacstats|Waacstats]] ([[User talk:Waacstats|talk]]) 11:29, 3 June 2011 (UTC)
: '''Support''' templates, categories if appropriately filled. [[User:Dawynn|Dawynn]] ([[User talk:Dawynn|talk]]) 14:57, 7 June 2011 (UTC)
:'''Support'''. --[[User:Ser Amantio di Nicolao|<span style="font-family:Old English Text MT;">Ser Amantio di Nicolao</span>]]<sup>[[User_talk:Ser Amantio di Nicolao|''Che dicono a Signa?'']]</sup><sub>[[Special:Contributions/Ser Amantio di Nicolao|'''Lo dicono a Signa.''']]</sub> 15:52, 8 June 2011 (UTC)
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==={{Cl|Israeli musician stubs}}===
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The above would pick up over 60 articles from {{tl|Israel-musician-stub}} and {{tl|Israel-singer-stub}} assuming only a few are double stubbed. Speedy? [[User:Waacstats|Waacstats]] ([[User talk:Waacstats|talk]]) 08:54, 2 June 2011 (UTC)
:'''Support speedy.''' [[User:Dawynn|Dawynn]] ([[User talk:Dawynn|talk]]) 11:18, 2 June 2011 (UTC)
:'''Support''' speedy. --[[User:Ser Amantio di Nicolao|<span style="font-family:Old English Text MT;">Ser Amantio di Nicolao</span>]]<sup>[[User_talk:Ser Amantio di Nicolao|''Che dicono a Signa?'']]</sup><sub>[[Special:Contributions/Ser Amantio di Nicolao|'''Lo dicono a Signa.''']]</sub> 15:53, 8 June 2011 (UTC)
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===Split of {{cl|Beetle stubs}}===
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Speedy proposal.
* {{cl|Cerambycidae stubs}}.  To pick up {{tl|Cerambycidae-stub}}.  (143 P).  Perm {{cl|Cerambycidae}}.
* {{cl|Chrysomelidae stubs}}.  To pick up {{tl|Chrysomelidae-stub}}.  (73 P).  Perm {{cl|Chrysomelidae}}.
[[User:Dawynn|Dawynn]] ([[User talk:Dawynn|talk]]) 13:25, 1 June 2011 (UTC)
:'''speedy Support''' [[User:Waacstats|Waacstats]] ([[User talk:Waacstats|talk]]) 11:25, 2 June 2011 (UTC)
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==={{tl|US-energy-company-stub}}/{{cl|United States energy company stubs}}===
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{{cl|United States company stubs}} in grossly oversized - largely through undersorting - but this template and category could alleviate some of the pressure on it (category only if it reaches 60 stubs, of course...). [[User:Grutness|Grutness]]...''[[User_talk:Grutness|<small style="color:#008822;">wha?</small>]]'' 01:38, 1 June 2011 (UTC)
:This looks like a good split. [[User:Waacstats|Waacstats]] ([[User talk:Waacstats|talk]]) 11:26, 2 June 2011 (UTC)
:'''Support'''. --[[User:Ser Amantio di Nicolao|<span style="font-family:Old English Text MT;">Ser Amantio di Nicolao</span>]]<sup>[[User_talk:Ser Amantio di Nicolao|''Che dicono a Signa?'']]</sup><sub>[[Special:Contributions/Ser Amantio di Nicolao|'''Lo dicono a Signa.''']]</sub> 15:54, 8 June 2011 (UTC)
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==={{tl|Eclipse-stub}}/{{cl|Eclipse stubs}}===
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{{cl|Astronomy stubs}} contains about 1250 articles, and over 350 of them relate to eclipses...  {{cl|Solar-eclipse-stub}} might be a better name - thoughts? [[User:Grutness|Grutness]]...''[[User_talk:Grutness|<small style="color:#008822;">wha?</small>]]'' 01:38, 1 June 2011 (UTC)
:given that catscan shows over 400 solar eclipse articles and over 200 lunar eclipse articles under 1500 bytes I think we might be worth while having both a {{tl|Lunar-eclipse-stub}} - {{cl|Lunar eclipse stubs}} and  {{tl|Solar-eclipse-stub}} - {{cl|Solar eclipse stubs}}. [[User:Waacstats|Waacstats]] ([[User talk:Waacstats|talk]]) 22:57, 2 June 2011 (UTC)
::Sounds good to me. [[User:Grutness|Grutness]]...''[[User_talk:Grutness|<small style="color:#008822;">wha?</small>]]'' 00:49, 6 June 2011 (UTC)
:'''Support''' both. --[[User:Ser Amantio di Nicolao|<span style="font-family:Old English Text MT;">Ser Amantio di Nicolao</span>]]<sup>[[User_talk:Ser Amantio di Nicolao|''Che dicono a Signa?'']]</sup><sub>[[Special:Contributions/Ser Amantio di Nicolao|'''Lo dicono a Signa.''']]</sub> 15:54, 8 June 2011 (UTC)
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===Split of Albania-geo-stub===
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There are just over 1000 articles in {{cl|Albania geography stubs|}} - time to split by the 12 counties of Albania, methinks...
*{{tl|Berat-geo-stub}} / {{cl|Berat County geography stubs}} (iff...)
*{{tl|Dibër-geo-stub}} / {{cl|Dibër County geography stubs}} (iff...)
*{{tl|Durrës-geo-stub}} / {{cl|Durrës County geography stubs}} (iff...)
*{{tl|Elbasan-geo-stub}} / {{cl|Elbasan County geography stubs}} (iff...)
*{{tl|Fier-geo-stub}} / {{cl|Fier County geography stubs}} (iff...)
*{{tl|Gjirokastër-geo-stub}} / {{cl|Gjirokastër County geography stubs}} (iff...)
*{{tl|Korçë-geo-stub}} / {{cl|Korçë County geography stubs}} (iff...)
*{{tl|Kukës-geo-stub}} / {{cl|Kukës County geography stubs}} (iff...)
*{{tl|Lezhë-geo-stub}} / {{cl|Lezhë County geography stubs}} (iff...)
*{{tl|Shkodër-geo-stub}} / {{cl|Shkodër County geography stubs}} (iff...)
*{{tl|Tirana-geo-stub}} / {{cl|Tirana County geography stubs}} (iff...)
*{{tl|Vlorë-geo-stub}} / {{cl|Vlorë County geography stubs}} (iff...)
Plus categories in the form {{cl|Foo County geography stub}} for any which reach the 60-stub mark. [[User:Grutness|Grutness]]...''[[User_talk:Grutness|<small style="color:#008822;">wha?</small>]]'' 01:38, 1 June 2011 (UTC)
:'''Support'''. [[User:Dawynn|Dawynn]] ([[User talk:Dawynn|talk]]) 11:21, 2 June 2011 (UTC)
:'''Support''' all. --[[User:Ser Amantio di Nicolao|<span style="font-family:Old English Text MT;">Ser Amantio di Nicolao</span>]]<sup>[[User_talk:Ser Amantio di Nicolao|''Che dicono a Signa?'']]</sup><sub>[[Special:Contributions/Ser Amantio di Nicolao|'''Lo dicono a Signa.''']]</sub> 15:54, 8 June 2011 (UTC)
::All done - most just sneaked past 60 - sadly the last two are quite small. [[User:Grutness|Grutness]]...''[[User_talk:Grutness|<small style="color:#008822;">wha?</small>]]'' 06:56, 17 June 2011 (UTC)
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