English Wikipedia @ Freddythechick:Articles for deletion/Annabelle Craft Moss

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was Merge and Redirect to Women Airforce Service Pilots#WASP aviators. This seems to have sat for a few weeks without comment or relist, but the consensus seems to be clear that keeping some of the information is worthwhile. I merged a summary of Moss' service at the target page, as well as two of the sources (though one was the blog). Please follow behind and adjust the merged listing as appropriate; the sources are still in the history at the redirect, if necessary. UltraExactZZ ^Said ~ Did 16:16, 9 October 2012 (UTC)

Annabelle Craft Moss

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Being one of 1000+ WASP pilots in World War II isn't sufficiently exclusive to merit an article. Clarityfiend (talk) 08:18, 1 September 2012 (UTC)

Keep. WASPs who were the first women in the US Air Force aren't notable aviators? So why do the Tuskegee Airmen merit a biography each? (Check the links in the bottom bar for the Tuskegee Airmen). The fact that she survived to give a comprehensive oral account of the experience is noteworthy in itself. A CGM, regardless of whether she got it as a member of a group or as an individual, as a foreigner, I'd think that would make an American citizen notable. Good grief.OttawaAC (talk) 01:48, 28 September 2012 (UTC)

• Question. Hmm... she did win a Congressional Gold Medal, but the medal was technically awarded to the still living WASPs as a whole. Would this be something that could potentially be redirected to List of Congressional Gold Medal recipients? I'm kind of half-hearted on this. She won the award with the others but a random redirect to the list of recipients without any way of saying exactly why she's redirecting there is sort of useless. I thought I'd bring this up here because I know that the award will be something to mention. There's also the possibility that this could redirect to Women Airforce Service Pilots, since that's what she seems to be known for.Tokyogirl79 (talk) 09:26, 1 September 2012 (UTC)

The CGM was awarded to the surviving, veteran WASP aviators according to the wording in a couple of sources, around 200 of them were each awarded a medal. The deceased WASPs, and the WASP as an organization, were not awarded the medals, or perhaps I'm misinterpreting those sources. Can a CGM be given to deceased persons? Is was also given to the Tuskegee Airmen.

Checked a couple more sources and I stand corrected, each individual WASP living or deceased was included. Still though, how many men, in a group or individually, have gotten a CGM? How many have WP biographies? How many women have gotten a CGM? How many have WP biographies? See how this bias thing works? Something about that ratio is a tad depressing.OttawaAC (talk) 02:11, 28 September 2012 (UTC)

• Redirect to Women Airforce Service Pilots#WASP aviators. There's a list of various aviators on the page and this would be best served redirecting there. Moss did not individually win the Congressional Gold Medal, so I can't really justify her having an article all to herself based upon that criteria. Since she is mentioned in the WASP article (although I do admit wondering whether the list should be on there), this could be redirected there. But as an article all its own? No. She's completely amazing and what little I could find shows that she's probably one of the coolest little old ladies I'll never meet, but she just doesn't pass notability guidelines outside of her association with WASP.Tokyogirl79 (talk) 09:44, 1 September 2012 (UTC)
• Summarize, Merge, & Redirect to Women Airforce Service Pilots#WASP aviators. Individual fails WP:GNG, & WP:SOLDIER however there is verified content and the subject is a member of a notable group. Therefore, the verified content can be summarized down, merged into the aforementioned list, and a redirect left in the article space.--RightCowLeftCoast (talk) 07:53, 2 September 2012 (UTC)
• Delete not really notable as just one of 1000 WASPs so shouldnt really redirect. Certainly not an individual award of the Congressional Gold Medal which was awarded to the WASP as an organisation. MilborneOne (talk) 14:39, 2 September 2012 (UTC)

Note: This debate has been included in the list of Aviation-related deletion discussions. — Frankie (talk) 19:09, 3 September 2012 (UTC)

Note: This debate has been included in the list of Military-related deletion discussions. — Frankie (talk) 19:09, 3 September 2012 (UTC)

Note: This debate has been included in the list of People-related deletion discussions. — Frankie (talk) 19:09, 3 September 2012 (UTC)

• S, M, R per Tokyogirl and RCLC. Redirects are cheap (cheaper than deletion, even) and not likely to be any other notable Annabelle Craft Mosses, so no need to have "reserved space", and redirecting avoids a recreation-bait redlink as well. - The Bushranger _{One ping only} 19:33, 3 September 2012 (UTC)
• 'S,M,R. Concur with tokyogirl and bushranger. Petebutt (talk) 18:46, 5 September 2012 (UTC)
• Delete. Not notable. She didn't personally receive the Congressional Gold Medal - the organisation of which she was a member did. -- Necrothesp (talk) 16:24, 6 September 2012 (UTC)
• Delete per MilborneOne. GregJackP Boomer! 03:37, 7 September 2012 (UTC)
• Comment - The nametag in the photo here shows she went by the name Ann Craft. Maybe that's why we can't find enough info on Annabelle Craft Moss. -- Uzma Gamal (talk) 04:04, 9 September 2012 (UTC)
  • Comment. I don't see much for Ann Craft other than an oral history,[1] which shows "she transported officers from one base to another". Clarityfiend (talk) 05:24, 9 September 2012 (UTC)
• S, M, R per above. Tijfo098 (talk) 11:59, 10 September 2012 (UTC)
• S, M, R I agree with tokyogirl and bushranger --Cameron11598 (Talk) 19:57, 14 September 2012 (UTC)
• Keep. Was the only female pilot on the base. This article helps address WP:BIAS. Djembayz (talk) 13:08, 24 September 2012 (UTC)

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.