English Wikipedia @ Freddythechick:Articles for deletion/Clair Companies

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was redirect‎ to Clair Global. History remains, but there's no clear consensus to merge anything. Redirect is a viable AtD since it has been established they're related. Star Mississippi 02:12, 2 June 2023 (UTC)

Clair Companies

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Clair Companies does not exist, nor does Clair Solutions, which is also mentioned in this article.

The name of the company is Clair Global. Clair Global already has a Wikipedia page, so this page is not necessary.

Source: I am in the marketing department for Clair Global.— Preceding unsigned comment added by Clairglobalmedia (talk • contribs) 15:30, 5 May 2023 (UTC)

Malformed nomination fixed. * Pppery * _{it has begun...} 03:00, 7 May 2023 (UTC)

This AfD appears to be based on a misunderstanding. Clair Companies and Clair Global appear to be two unrelated companies, both of which exist. Finally, please take note of shortcut: page does not exist: WP:COI (help). * Pppery * _{it has begun...} 03:00, 7 May 2023 (UTC)

Oppose: As user above has noted Clair Companies and Clair Global appear to be two unrelated companies, both of which exist and appear to be notable. Jack4576 (talk) 06:18, 7 May 2023 (UTC)

Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: Companies and Pennsylvania. Shellwood (talk) 09:56, 7 May 2023 (UTC)
Keep SIGCOV exists. Likely a misunderstanding. Timothytyy (talk) 10:57, 7 May 2023 (UTC)

A user asked me to reconsider my vote. Maybe move to Clair Brothers if we agree that there are no sources about "Clair Companies" itself and there is no SIGCOV for Clair Solutions. Clair Brothers is notable, but I won't oppose moving the whole article to Clair Global. Timothytyy (talk) 00:24, 26 May 2023 (UTC)

I can't pretend to know what is going on here, but the companies are obviously not unrelated, having been founded by the same people in the same small town. Phil Bridger (talk) 21:16, 10 May 2023 (UTC)

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, RL0919 (talk) 11:45, 14 May 2023 (UTC)

Delete, merging anything that's necessary into Clair Global. The Clair Brothers website[1] which is covered in Clair Companies clearly carries the words at the top left corner, "A Clair Global Company", which indicates that it considers itself part of Clair Global. The website attached to Clair Solutions, according to this ref [2] now redirects to Clair Global. From this, it's pretty obvious that both the companies covered by Clair Companies are indeed parts of Clair Global, and the original nomination, although made with a COI, is factually correct and supportable. I found only minimal references to Clair Solutions when googling around, so this isn't a case of retaining an article under a commonly-used, former name. But I would not be averse to leaving a redirect if anyone feels strongly. Similarly for Clair Brothers. Elemimele (talk) 15:15, 14 May 2023 (UTC)
Delete request was made in order to clear up confusion/ misunderstanding created by the page in question - wasn't intended to be a COI, but part of my job is to make sure outdated/ misinformation about the company doesn't exist. There is a long, complicated family history, but in short, Clair Companies is now simply part of Clair Global. As @Elemimele suggested, merging the relevant info into Clair Global makes sense. Clairglobalmedia (talk) 19:40, 16 May 2023 (UTC)

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Barkeep49 (talk) 17:10, 25 May 2023 (UTC)

Pppery, Timothytyy, Phil Bridger, I'm taking the unusual step of pinging all three of you as Jack has now been banned from AfD, and I wonder whether this is as controversial as it seemed at first sight. @Timothytyy, did you find any SIGCOV that these companies are not all part of the existing Clair Global and therefore require separate articles? Can anyone find sufficient sourcing for Clair Companies that we'd keep it had it been nominated by someone without a COI? Clairglobalmedia, if the article is kept, either because the closer feels that is the consensus opinion, or because we can't come to a consensus, then you have the option of making an edit request on the article's talk-page to have information added that explains the situation and clears up any misunderstandings. See Wikipedia:Edit_requests for help. If you do this, please find links/sources to justify any changes you'd like made; the more independent, the better. Elemimele (talk) 19:41, 25 May 2023 (UTC)

I don't care what happens at this point. * Pppery * _{it has begun...} 19:43, 25 May 2023 (UTC)

My only involvement here (and the only involvement I wish to have) has been to point out that it was incorrect to say that these companies are unrelated. Phil Bridger (talk) 21:33, 25 May 2023 (UTC)

Yeah, I agree that the subject seems to be inexistent, so I am considering striking my vote. Timothytyy (talk) 00:15, 26 May 2023 (UTC)

Delete or merge to Clair Global. Quite clear that they're the same company. DFlhb (talk) 02:56, 27 May 2023 (UTC)

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.