English Wikipedia @ Freddythechick:Articles for deletion/Cyprus–Malta relations

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was no consensus. Fritzpoll (talk) 08:31, 9 June 2009 (UTC)

Cyprus–Malta relations

Independent sources dealing with bilateral relations between Cyprus and Malta in a non-trivial manner do not exist to establish notability for this topic. This article was created without any real content by a now-banned editor who created thousands of such random x-y intersections between countries. No prejudice at re-creation at a future date if bilateral relations develop between them. Am requesting full deletion with no merge or redirect or disambiguation stub left as this is a highly unambiguous phrase and an unlikely search term. Drawn Some (talk) 08:35, 2 June 2009 (UTC)

Delete as nominator. Drawn Some (talk) 08:38, 2 June 2009 (UTC)

your nomination already counts as 1 "vote". LibStar (talk) 14:11, 2 June 2009 (UTC)

Well, I guess I feel very strongly about this one. No intent to deceive! Drawn Some (talk) 14:24, 2 June 2009 (UTC)

Note: This debate has been included in the list of Cyprus-related deletion discussions. -- TexasAndroid (talk) 12:12, 2 June 2009 (UTC)
Delete lots of coverage in multilateral and EU context (since both were new entrants to EU) but a real lack of coverage in bilateral sense. [1]. LibStar (talk) 14:19, 2 June 2009 (UTC)
Delete asdide from island status, precious little between them. Collect (talk) 16:09, 2 June 2009 (UTC)

Keep These countries have ten bilateral agreements with each other per the source provided on the page. Obviously there is room for development. Deletion of informative sourced information is not the answer.--Cdogsimmons (talk) 20:15, 2 June 2009 (UTC)

Primary sources may NOT be used to establish notability, for obvious reasons. Do you have any independent reliable sources showing in-depth coverage of the topic? Drawn Some (talk) 20:27, 2 June 2009 (UTC)

Keep There's very old history here. The Knights of St John had a long history on Cyprus before retreating to Malta, and even then they were a major force in the Mediterannean. The current article may not reflect this, but the subject is unquestionably notable. Ray^Talk 21:34, 2 June 2009 (UTC)
Delete Article has no useful content and very little prospect of development. It mentions a connection from the 16th century, and "Malta pledges support for Cypriot reunification" (hasn't every country made some sort of statement regarding Cypriot reunification?). The Knights of St John mentioned in the above comment were thrown out of Cyprus, and ended up in Malta in the 16th century (that's the full extent of the connection). No sources discuss these relations. Johnuniq (talk) 11:39, 3 June 2009 (UTC)
Keep. I think there is scope for expansion from this stub. The countries are Mediterranean islands, both are former British colonies, and have both now joined the EU. Their shared history and common situation means that they are often mentioned in the same breath, e.g. [2][3][4]. Hansard might hold some useful information of their relations, especially pre-independence:[5]. There have been bilateral meetings between the presidents, both before they joined the EU and after. Fences and windows (talk) 18:54, 3 June 2009 (UTC)

Bilateral meetings:[6][7][8][9][10]. They signed a cooperation protocol last year:[11], and their diplomatic missions in Tel Aviv and Ramallah are housed together[12], showing a fair level of cooperation between the two countries. Fences and windows (talk) 19:13, 3 June 2009 (UTC)

Here's the official view of the bilateral relations, in an exchange between the president of Cyprus and the new Maltese High Commissioner to Cyprus in January:[13]. Excerpt:"Diplomatic relations between our two countries were established on 13 September 1972 when the first High Commissioners from both sides presented their credentials. Since then these relations were always at a very high level and always dynamic. In fact, the bilateral agreements that were signed by both countries over the years are a proof of this dynamic relationship. The latest agreement signed last year concern the protocol on Reinforced Cooperation between the respective Ministries of Foreign Affairs that was followed by the diplomatic premises of the Republic of Cyprus in Tel Aviv and another Memorandum of Understanding that concern the representation of the two Governments to the Palestinian Authority. Other agreements deal with tourism, health, medical sciences and pharmaceutics, telecommunications, double taxation, cultural and scientific cooperation, combating terrorism, illicit drug trafficking and orgnanised crime, home affairs, promotion and reciprocal protection of investment and merchant shipping. The State visit to Cyprus by President Fenech Adami in June of 2007 together with other bilateral exchanges enhanced further our diplomatic, political, economic and cultural relations." Fences and windows (talk) 19:19, 3 June 2009 (UTC)

Keep - long, historical relationship. In addition to the sources listed above, there is also a book here. TerriersFan (talk) 20:12, 3 June 2009 (UTC)
Keep - Ah yes, THIS pairing really does matter. As per Fences: historically and currently of strategic importance in the Med. especially re the shared military links with the UK and potential future similar-nation-cliques within the EU Sorry, I've no sources I can lay my hands on immediately (got to go soon - on the night shift) but even with my rather basic knowledge here I am sure there is plenty to build on. Plutonium27 (talk) 18:13, 4 June 2009 (UTC)
Keep - This pair does have a unique history that can be documented. Exit2DOS2000^•T•C• 06:53, 5 June 2009 (UTC)
Keep To quote the nomination "if bilateral relations develop between them" is about as clear as case as can be imagined of lack of judgement in a deletion nomination. Two island nations in the Mediterranean are exceedingly likely to have interacted frequently over history and in recent times as well. The sources bear that out. DGG (talk) 00:50, 6 June 2009 (UTC)
Delete - unimpressive so far. Yes, Malta supports Cyprus' reunification -- like just about every other UN member. Yes, the Knights Hospitaller were associated with both places; do we not cover that there, and does this have anything to do with the Republic of Cyprus or the Republic of Malta? Yes, an article exists on Cypriot and Maltese EU accession - but deals with their relations with the EU, not each other. Yes, officials in both countries are aware the other one exists, and have held meetings (as one might expect for two EU members)...and? Do those meetings have any relevance in this context? Have scholars or even journalists actually studied "Cyprus–Malta relations" (for the countries that gained independence in the 1960s, not polities extant many centuries earlier)? No. Thus, delete. - Biruitorul ^Talk 01:42, 7 June 2009 (UTC)

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.