English Wikipedia @ Freddythechick:Articles for deletion/Tor Ingar Jakobsen

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The result was delete‎. I see a rough consensus to Delete and the copyright questions seal the deal. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 22:26, 9 December 2023 (UTC)

Tor Ingar Jakobsen

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Sources are either from his website (source 1), written by him (source 5) or provide no significant coverage (sources 2-4). No indication of WP:NMUSICIAN. Also a likely WP:COI creation, as the author created the two articles in the first paragraph (since deleted). Google search also doesn't show anything useful. ARandomName123 (talk)^{Ping me!} 18:03, 11 November 2023 (UTC)

• Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: People and Norway. ARandomName123 (talk)^{Ping me!} 18:03, 11 November 2023 (UTC)
• Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Bands and musicians-related deletion discussions. Spiderone^{(Talk to Spider)} 18:19, 11 November 2023 (UTC)
• Keep Have added more links and content to make the article more relevant — Preceding unsigned comment added by Morpfhoby (talk • contribs) 20:31, 12 November 2023 (UTC) — Morpfhoby (talk • contribs) has made few or no other edits outside this topic.

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: Please assess expansion of article since nomination.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 18:33, 18 November 2023 (UTC)

• Delete: How on earth can you use his own website as a source?!?! MaskedSinger (talk) 10:55, 20 November 2023 (UTC)

  Thanks for your reply. Yes, his website has been used as source for things like his year of birth, and which town he was born in. All the other main achievements, as his published books, rewards, productions and work for musical theatre are covered with other sources as newspaper articles, press reviews, publications from publishers etc.I therefore still think it should be kept. Morpfhoby (talk) 21:15, 24 November 2023 (UTC)

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 22:52, 25 November 2023 (UTC)

• Draftify Smells like COI, should be come from AFC process. DJ InstaMalik (talk) 00:34, 26 November 2023 (UTC)

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: Final relist.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 22:20, 2 December 2023 (UTC)

• Well the publicity photograph is filched directly off the subject's own copyrighted WWW site. Let's see about the article text, with the subject's own autobiography on the left and Special:Permalink/1184636506 (the article as nominated for deletion) on the right:

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Early Years Tor Ingar Jakobsen was born in Lena, Østre Toten, Norway in 1973. He started taking piano lessons at the age of 6, and started to do his first paid gigs at the the age of 13. In his teens he played in different rock and pop bands, who often entertained at different local clubs, pubs and dance halls. In his later teens he got interested in jazz, and joined different jazz groups, including a big band where he tried out his first arrangements. In 2004 he was educated from the University of Oslo as cand.philol. in jazz piano, composing and arranging. In his master thesis, […] Composer and arranger Jakobsen has composed and arranged music in many different formats. Several genres in different jazz formats, such as quartets, quintets, big band and cabaret orchestras. He has also composed and arranged in more classical styles, such as string quartets, brass quintets, choirs, wind orchestras and symphonic orchestras. Among those are the symphonic orchestra ‘The Norwegian Radio Orchestra’ (KORK) for whom he has composed and arranged several pieces; ‘Bryllupsmarsj fra Hadeland’, ‘Sommer ved Randsfjorden’ and ‘Fra Biri til Butterfly’. Teaching The last 15 years Jakobsen has been the jazz piano teacher for the students at Toneheim Folkehøyskole. He has also has been hired as a guest speaker at several universities and colleges around the world to talk about musical theatre, musical theatre history and composing for musical theatre. Among these are: 'Kristiania University College', 'NSKI University College', 'Bårdar', and 'The University of Oklahoma'

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Jakobsen was born in [[Gjøvik]], Norway, and started taking piano lessons at the age of 6. At the age of 15 he started doing his first professional jobs as a musician. In his teens he started to play in different bands, including rock bands, cover bands and jazz bands. Along with the work at the concert scene, this was also the time when he started doing his first jobs as musical director in different local theatre productions. In 2004 he was educated from the [[University of Oslo]] as ''[[Candidatus philologiæ|cand.philol.]]'' in jazz piano and composing. As a composer, Jakobsen has composed and arranged music for many different formats and genres. Besides jazz quartets and quintets, he has composed and arranged for jazz big bands and cabaret orchestras. He has also composed and arranged in more classical styles, such as string quartets, brass quintets, choirs, wind orchestras and symphonic orchestras. Among those are the symphonic orchestra ‘The Norwegian Radio Orchestra’ (KORK) for whom he has composed and arranged several pieces. Jakobsen has been hired as a guest speaker at several universities and colleges around the world to talk about musical theatre, and composing for musical theatre. Among these are: Kristiania University College, NSKI University College, Bårdar, and The University of Oklahoma.

Subsequent edits such as Special:Diff/1184661405 have lifted more sentences straight from the autobiography and attributed them to some other source. This isn't original writing. This is a foundational copyright violation of an autobiography. Uncle G (talk) 12:04, 3 December 2023 (UTC)

Thanks for your input. I have deleted the content where his website was the source, and therefor also the content that did quote his homepage. I therefor think the copyright problem and reliable source problem now should be solved. Morpfhoby (talk) 09:52, 4 December 2023 (UTC)

• Delete 3 gnews hits says it all, fails WP:BIO. Possible promotional article by a single purpose editor. LibStar (talk) 01:58, 7 December 2023 (UTC)

  3 gnews hits says it all – no, not really. Offline sources could potentially exist. See also the National Library's 600 newspaper results for his name, which is just as useless a gauge for notability on WP. This article isn't something I'm particularly invested in, so I'll let someone else do the digging here, but it is likely that there are enough in-depth sources about the subject to warrant inclusion. ArcticSeeress (talk) 11:25, 8 December 2023 (UTC)

• Delete, fails GNG in the sense that the sourcing presented is either not indepdenent or not significant coverage. Daniel (talk) 21:55, 9 December 2023 (UTC)

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