English Wikipedia @ Freddythechick:Articles for deletion/Ufc-pride
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The result was Delete per WP:SNOW and CSD G7 --pgk 18:55, 13 November 2006 (UTC)
Ufc-pride
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Small IRC "network", we do have articles on various other IRC networks, is this sufficient to keep this on wikipedia. No vote-- pgk 15:41, 12 November 2006 (UTC)
- Delete Non-notable per "Users count vary between 80 and 150 users". Fails WP:N. - Tutmosis 15:53, 12 November 2006 (UTC)
- Delete Notability not established through reliable or verifiable sources. Metros232 15:58, 12 November 2006 (UTC)
- Keep only mma related irc server in the world. Even if they are small, they are one of a kind. Shen420 16:05, 12 November 2006 (UTC)
- Comment: User's first edits, created 17 minutes after AfD posted. Fethers 18:41, 12 November 2006 (UTC)
- Comment:If I made an irc server dedicated to bald panda bears, it'd probably be small as well...but it'd be one of a kind. Would you allow that to have its own article? Metros232 20:24, 12 November 2006 (UTC)
- Keep Server notability can be established through groundnpound.org. User count of other IRC network articles on wikipedia are low but that isn't sufficient to delete them. AbleNET for example. The notability claim "Only MMA related server in the world" can be established via searchirc Brettybabe 16:25, 12 November 2006 (UTC)
- Comment How does groundnpound.org establish notability? I don't see anything on that site that asserts it (then again that site seems so disorganized that I don't think I could find anything about anything on there. Also, please stop using the "Well this thing has an article, so mine deserves an article" argument. It is not a valid argument on Wikipedia. I did an IRC search at the website you gave for "MMA" and all I got was this. I don't see your server listed there under MMA as you suggest one could. Metros232 16:37, 12 November 2006 (UTC)
- Comment If you search for server using MMA you will only find servers with MMA in the server name. If one whent through every server, which I have, none of them are dedicated to MMA except ufc-pride. Also the user count on ufc-pride is / was wrong. Previously I asked an oper for the user count, which I was told is 80 - 150, joining the network it reports "Current Global Users: 129 Max: 491" so it is not so small after all. Brettybabe 16:50, 12 November 2006 (UTC)
- Delete. Unremarkable, unverifiable 129-concurrent-user server. Fethers 17:32, 12 November 2006 (UTC)
- Comment user count is verifiable if you bothered to connected to the server and looked at the server logs, easily verifiable. The trolls come out to play. Brettybabe 17:37, 12 November 2006 (UTC)
- Comment The citation of such facts is on the shoulders of those who introduce such facts. It is not up to Fethers, to me, to anyone else to log onto the server to find this out. Also, please refrain from personal attacks against other users. Metros232 17:42, 12 November 2006 (UTC)
- Comment Ufc-Pride ranks #372 out of 3,834 IRC networks indexed on SearchIRC, with 131 average users over the last week. Shen420 17:52, 12 November 2006 (UTC)
- Comment searchIRC.com:ufc-pride verfies the user count, this will be updated on ufc-pride Brettybabe 17:53, 12 November 2006 (UTC)
- Comment I will insert the rest of the citations on the article to tommorrow, I have diabetes and need to rest. Please be patient. Brettybabe 18:29, 12 November 2006 (UTC)
- Comment: It's ok, he's been busy calling me a troll on my talk page as well. I've been trying to avoid getting involved in any character debates. SearchIRC shows 141 users over 18 channels. This is a textbook definition of "small" IRC network. Actually, I'd believe you need more than one server to be defined as a network, too. Moving on, searching for mixed martial arts gets no results. The four instances of "mma" on searchirc come up with four channels on the UFC Pride server; one is for idling in, one is exclusive to operators, and overall the server itself is down and there's some notice that they're going down "and we're not getting sued, we just can't talk about it." Puzzling. Fethers 18:40, 12 November 2006 (UTC)
- Comment: The server is not down, Fethers is giving un-cited references, no where on searchirc does it say the server is down, I am connected to it. Fethers misrepresents the truth when he quotes verbatim a channel message that says "and we're not getting sued, we just can't talk about it." the message he is refering to says "Before you ask, no we are not getting sued or threatened". ... Fethers also in it. Shen420 20:14, 12 November 2006 (UTC)
- Comment: It's ok, he's been busy calling me a troll on my talk page as well. I've been trying to avoid getting involved in any character debates. SearchIRC shows 141 users over 18 channels. This is a textbook definition of "small" IRC network. Actually, I'd believe you need more than one server to be defined as a network, too. Moving on, searching for mixed martial arts gets no results. The four instances of "mma" on searchirc come up with four channels on the UFC Pride server; one is for idling in, one is exclusive to operators, and overall the server itself is down and there's some notice that they're going down "and we're not getting sued, we just can't talk about it." Puzzling. Fethers 18:40, 12 November 2006 (UTC)
- Comment I will insert the rest of the citations on the article to tommorrow, I have diabetes and need to rest. Please be patient. Brettybabe 18:29, 12 November 2006 (UTC)
- Comment searchIRC.com:ufc-pride verfies the user count, this will be updated on ufc-pride Brettybabe 17:53, 12 November 2006 (UTC)
- Comment Ufc-Pride ranks #372 out of 3,834 IRC networks indexed on SearchIRC, with 131 average users over the last week. Shen420 17:52, 12 November 2006 (UTC)
- Comment The citation of such facts is on the shoulders of those who introduce such facts. It is not up to Fethers, to me, to anyone else to log onto the server to find this out. Also, please refrain from personal attacks against other users. Metros232 17:42, 12 November 2006 (UTC)
- Comment user count is verifiable if you bothered to connected to the server and looked at the server logs, easily verifiable. The trolls come out to play. Brettybabe 17:37, 12 November 2006 (UTC)
- Delete per Shen's comment about its ranking and average user count. Maybe if it were #1 or #2 it would be notable but this is pretty far from it. Recury 20:22, 12 November 2006 (UTC)
- Comment: So the fact that it is the only one out of 3,834 that specificly tailors just to the MMA community isn’t notable at all? There are several other articles, related to the same subject, on wikipedia with the a similar amount of users with no specific network type making them notable and they are allowed to stay, why should this be any different? Shen420 20:45, 12 November 2006 (UTC)
- Right, that isn't notable at all. The others probably just haven't been put up for deletion. Just because there currently is a page on Wikipedia doesn't mean that community consensus agrees it should be there. People are free to add articles at any time. Recury 20:58, 12 November 2006 (UTC)
- Comment: so your saying that the "community consensus" consists of 4 poeple ? because its looking like that might be all it takes to get the page removed Shen420 21:15, 12 November 2006 (UTC)
- When did I say that? I only said that just because a page exists doesn't mean that everyone agrees it should exist. But yes, 4 people can be enough if it isn't very controversial among users familiar with our policies. Recury 22:02, 12 November 2006 (UTC)
- Comment: so your saying that the "community consensus" consists of 4 poeple ? because its looking like that might be all it takes to get the page removed Shen420 21:15, 12 November 2006 (UTC)
- Right, that isn't notable at all. The others probably just haven't been put up for deletion. Just because there currently is a page on Wikipedia doesn't mean that community consensus agrees it should be there. People are free to add articles at any time. Recury 20:58, 12 November 2006 (UTC)
- Comment: So the fact that it is the only one out of 3,834 that specificly tailors just to the MMA community isn’t notable at all? There are several other articles, related to the same subject, on wikipedia with the a similar amount of users with no specific network type making them notable and they are allowed to stay, why should this be any different? Shen420 20:45, 12 November 2006 (UTC)
- Keep the channel #ufc-pride was started more then 5 years ago thats FAR longer then most other networks that are noted here it even has its own MMA based rpg game (the ONLY mma rpg game in the world) and it also has 1 channel with over 100 users maybe you should accually come to the network before you bash it poeple have put alot of hard work into it and it angers me to see poeple who know nothing about MMA or IRC try to discredit it Fightma5t3r 21:02, 12 November 2006 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Fightma5t3r (talk • contribs) ; — Fightma5t3r (talk • contribs) has made few or no other edits outside this topic.
- Delete, fails WP:V, non-notable, fails (if this applies) WP:WEB as well. --Shrieking Harpy......Talk|Count 21:44, 12 November 2006 (UTC)
- Delete per above. Crabapplecove 00:45, 13 November 2006 (UTC)
- Delete per the newbies find of it's 372. Do you see article for ones between 10-371? Non-notable. Sorry. -Royalguard11(Talk·Desk·Review Me!) 01:13, 13 November 2006 (UTC)
- Comment: delinked is just one of the many networks that are listed on wilki that rank between 10-371 next time do some research before you post 68.186.107.104 02:07, 13 November 2006 (UTC)
- Delete no real assertion of notability. Barely reaching the top ten percent out of nearly 4000 servers is not remarkable. Resolute 02:48, 13 November 2006 (UTC)
- Delete - Distinct lack of any non-trivial reliable sources. Wickethewok 06:30, 13 November 2006 (UTC)
- Delete - Wikipedia is not a directory. --TheOtherBob 18:35, 13 November 2006 (UTC)
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