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28 March 2017

Suspected sockpuppets

I strongly believe that AbeEll is a sockpuppet of Followerofmuhammad. This belief is based on similar interests, similar editing history, similar behavior, and similar phrasal habits.

  • In terms of interests, both accounts edit the two articles Al-Ahbash and Abdullah al-Harari only. Both accounts also seem rather hostile toward User:McKhan.
  • In terms of similar editing history, AbeEll began editing less than two weeks after Followerofmuhammad was indefinitely blocked, and only to attack McKhan on the latter's talk page.
  • In terms of behavior, both are combative accounts who aggressively edit in order to promote the individual and his movement (the two articles above). Followerofmuhammad was blocked as a vandalism-only account for repeatedly section-blanking anything deemed critical of the subjects. Similarly, AbeEll canvassed help boards for support in the effort to remove anything deemed offensive to the subjects.
  • In terms of similar phrasal habits, both accounts accused anyone who reverted their edits of supporting terrorism, including AbeEll's very first edit. Just as Followerofmuhammad left edit summaries such as "the ones who wrote these articles are backed up of terrorists" and "the article is written of terrorists", AbeEll's very first edit (also linked above) asked McKhan "...is slandering associations that fight terrorism your hobby?"

The editing by both accounts is disruptive, combative, and uncivil. I'm not stating this to make some sort of a civility case, but rather a behavioral one: both accounts are single-issue ones (Al-Hariri was the main figurehead of the Al-Ahbash group) as well as ones who made a point of attacking another specific editor, including in the very first edit by the suspected sockpuppet account. I believe that the combined similarities here are sufficient to warrant an investigation. MezzoMezzo (talk) 03:52, 28 March 2017 (UTC)

@Bbb23: that is...slightly confusing. I'm still convinced that the behavior is the same, but I'll defer to the CU and your judgment on the unlikelihood of a connection. As for the connection to another account (KevenAbdulqader) tied to sockpuppetry, then I don't think I can comment personally because my first suspicion was erroneous. That being said, what is the next step from here? Does "possilikely" warrant a definite connection to the earlier account? I simply ask because Ahbash, like Barelvi, is one of those articles that just seems to be a magnet for sockpuppets that never add anything of value to the article but consume everyone else's time. MezzoMezzo (talk) 03:20, 29 March 2017 (UTC)
Whoa, wait a minute...I just realized who KevinAbdulqader is! I just checked Category:Wikipedia sockpuppets of Shawwal and noticed that this is the same person who was behind Misdemenor and MalayLumpur. Seriously, I can't emphasize more: if the connection between AbeEll and KevinAbdulQader/Shawwal is accurate, they absolutely must be banned. I can't possibly emphasize this more strongly. These accounts have made a habit, for the past few years, of harassment, vulgarity, and extremely uncivil behavior. Articles which any of them set their sights on simply become un-editable until whichever period it takes to get their latest account banned, and whenever they inevitably return to Wikipedia, we see another period during which an article simply can't be edited. At all. It's a waste of time to even try given the propensity to canvass, revert war, and simply bully other users to the point where logging in to Wikipedia is simply an unpleasant experience. And this isn't just me; there are numerous witnesses that can be brought for this.
Seriously, regardless of the accuracy of my initial suspicion (unless we can run a wider checkuser including AbeEll and Shawwal's other accounts as well), if this account is actually tied to KevinAbdulQader and thus Shawwal, then it will be a major mistake not to block now. Any articles they're involved with will be poisoned. MezzoMezzo (talk) 03:43, 29 March 2017 (UTC)

Comments by other users

Accused parties may also comment/discuss in this section below. See Defending yourself against claims.

That account is not mine.AbeEll (talk) 04:08, 28 March 2017 (UTC)

  • @Bbb23:, Please, accept my profound apologies in due course. However, you will kindly appreciate the fact that I did leave the following note, "AbeEll, The way you made your entry (i.e. edit), I knew exactly why you are here as it reminded me of KevinAbdulqader and many others before you. Your subsequent edits proved my anticipation right." on AbeEll's Talk Page. If one compares the edit style and behavior of AbeEll and KevinAbdulqader (specially, the similarity of the points and the way both of them behaved throughout the discussions) then in my humble point of view they seem to be coming from one person. I hope it helps. Thank you. McKhan (talk) 18:36, 28 March 2017 (UTC)


I find it funny you are mixing me with this other person while my editing history is mainly focused on the talk page rather than mass reverting posts which is annoying. You seem threatened by my presence in questioning your unverifiable/nonacademic sources. I wish you the best of luck but until we reach a consensus, its probably not a good idea to slander me claiming I am an "agent" or affiliated with people such as FollowerofMuhammad or KevinAbdulqader. It is also reasonable that I mentioned you are obsessed with this page(Ahbash) considering you have been reverting any edits for years and you have some sort of superiority complex in claiming every one of your citations is proper proof even though they are clearly fake and have no origin to who you claim they are from. If you're so righteous then prove it. We've been discussing in the talk pages on the matter but it seems you're not interested in it considering you opened a case against me 🙂 Perhaps you are offended when a female argues against you but that is not my issue.AbeEll (talk) 22:51, 28 March 2017 (UTC)

  • "..its probably not a good idea to slander me claiming I am an "agent" or affiliated with people such as FollowerofMuhammad or KevinAbdulqader." I did NOT "slander" you nor I ever called you an "agent". However, I am afraid you DID slander me and insinuated me as a paid "agent" which is NOT reasonable at all.
  • I only added KevinAbdulqader's name to this investigation (after MezzoMezzo requested for this investigation) because your editing style, behavior and edits are very much similar. I added few more lines once Bbb23 pointed out that I have missed something. There is no need to go postal on me for that.
  • I have reiterated more than once that I am NOT the sole contributor to that article(s) nor I have any sort of "superiority complex." Had that been the case, I would not have discussed with you at all.
Thank you. McKhan (talk) 01:29, 29 March 2017 (UTC)

Clerk, CheckUser, and/or patrolling admin comments

  • @McKhan: Please do not add a suspected puppet to the list without commentary and evidence of the connection between the new sock and the other accounts. In this instance, you should have also noted that KevinAbdulqader is a much older account than Followerofmuhammad and that KevinAbdulqader was CU-blocked by me.
  • Followerofmuhammad and AbeEll are   Unrelated.
  • AbeEll is   Possilikely (a mix between possible and likely) to KevinAbdulqader.--Bbb23 (talk) 17:45, 28 March 2017 (UTC)
  •   Awaiting administrative action - I am inclined to believe AbeEll is a sock of KevinAbdulqader (diffs + analysis on request), but would like a second opinion from the reviewing admin. Thanks, GABgab 03:14, 29 March 2017 (UTC)
  • @GeneralizationsAreBad: First, please e-mail me the evidence. Second, why do you want an administrator to review the behavior rather than another clerk (admin or not)?--Bbb23 (talk) 14:08, 29 March 2017 (UTC)
  •   Clerk note: @Bbb23: Email sent. Also, you're right - that should probably read "from the reviewing admin or another clerk." Thanks, GABgab 21:39, 29 March 2017 (UTC)
  • Based on the evidence in GeneralizationsAreBad's e-mail, I've blocked and tagged AbeEll. Closing.--Bbb23 (talk) 21:57, 29 March 2017 (UTC)
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