English Wikipedia @ Freddythechick:Articles for deletion/Adam's Calendar

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The result was redirect to Blaauboschkraal stone ruins. Content may be merged from history selectively. Sandstein 20:16, 29 May 2018 (UTC)

Adam's Calendar

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WP:FRINGE theory promotion sourced almost entirely to one person's pesudoarcheological writings. The only independent source is a two-paragraph Atlas Obscura listing which is not WP:SIGCOV. No evidence in WP:BEFORE of passing WP:GNG or any applicable SNG. Eggishorn (talk) (contrib) 13:53, 22 May 2018 (UTC)

Delete per above. No RS and no obvious chance of any. Richard Keatinge (talk) 15:46, 22 May 2018 (UTC) As presented here this is a fringe idea, but should be a
redirect to Blaauboschkraal stone ruins. Richard Keatinge (talk) 15:27, 23 May 2018 (UTC)

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of History-related deletion discussions. – TheGridExe (talk) 14:36, 22 May 2018 (UTC)

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of South Africa-related deletion discussions. – TheGridExe (talk) 14:36, 22 May 2018 (UTC)

Delete per proposal. The site itself isn't notable if not for the fringe theory. Nanophosis (talk) 18:24, 22 May 2018 (UTC)
Comment An NPOV article could be written on stone-walled ruins in the Mpumalanga escarpment. See, e.g. [1], [2], [3], but this current speculation about one does not seem to me to be the basis for one as I am finding no reliable source material about it specifically. 24.151.50.175 (talk) 19:34, 22 May 2018 (UTC)
Blaauboschkraal stone ruins appears to be the stub of a provincial heritage site (South Africa) nearby. 24.151.50.175 (talk) 20:41, 22 May 2018 (UTC) Redirect to that article on the strength of this Amazon book reviewer's reasoning: [4] "So if you've been searching for "Adam's Calendar" or "Enki's Calendar" or "Inzalo y’Langa", what you're actually looking at is the Blaauboschkraal stone ruins, a minor ruin from the Bokoni civilization of the 15-18th century." 24.151.50.175 (talk) 21:48, 22 May 2018 (UTC)
Delete Not notable, maybe a brief mention in another article, but not standalone.Slatersteven (talk) 12:49, 23 May 2018 (UTC)
~~Strong Keep~~ Merge to Blaauboschkraal stone ruins. Possibly rename. The very old stone structure in Mpumalanga is significant - very significant. The "Adam's Calendar" moniker is perhaps questionable, though widely used (also used - stone circle(s) in Mpumalanga, or African Stonehenge). Relevant SNGs are WP:GEOFEAT and WP:GEOLAND (as an abandoned human settlement/building of some sort). Passes GNG. Book by Wits University Press - Forgotten World: The Stone Walled Settlements of the Mpumalanga Escarpment. Other coverage - [5][6][7][8][9][10][11][12][13]. There is also a museum - [14]. There are also quite a few hits of relevant articles in google scholar Mpumalanga "stone circles".Icewhiz (talk) 13:48, 23 May 2018 (UTC) Agree with redirect target suggested above. I do think we should mention the fringe theory and museum, briefly, there.Icewhiz (talk) 19:04, 23 May 2018 (UTC)

The difficulty is mentioning fringe ideas in a stub article without violating WP:UNDUE and/or WP:PROFRINGE. As for the "museum", it is apparently promotional: "Consisting of a small country bistro, bar, bookshop AND museum, Michael aims to turn Stone Circle Bistro into a place where new-age thinkers meet and share ideas, and host regular talks and events with fascinating guest speakers." [15]. All that said, it might be a good idea to list the alternative names "(also referred to as Adam's Calendar, Enki's Calendar and Inzalo y’Langa)" in the article so that it shows up in Google searches for those names. 24.151.50.175 (talk) 16:10, 24 May 2018 (UTC)

Redirect to Blaauboschkraal stone ruins and perhaps add a sentence from the article history or from this AfD. Not independently notable and a separate article is not required. Does not meet WP:FRINGE either. K.e.coffman (talk) 02:08, 28 May 2018 (UTC)
Redirect to Blaauboschkraal stone ruins and as suggested, add a sentence from article if need be. Otherwise, not notable for stand alone article. Kierzek (talk) 17:04, 28 May 2018 (UTC)

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.