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The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result of the debate was no consensus tending strongly towards keep. bainer (talk) 03:33, 19 March 2006 (UTC)

Elliott Yamin

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The comments of all anonymous editors and one very new user (Nicholaking) were disregarded. No clear consensus was reached, although there was a strong trend towards keeping the article.

Page is devoted to some non notable TV contestant.

  • Delete. Axiomm 03:09, 10 March 2006 (UTC)
  • Keep. Meets WP:BAND: Has won or placed in a major music competition. Monkeyman(talk) 06:13, 12 March 2006 (UTC)
  • Delete no encyclopediaec value
  • Delete as nn-bio. --Terence Ong 06:38, 12 March 2006 (UTC)
  • Comment. To editors voting Delete, please review "WP:BAND: Has won or placed in a major music competition". This article meets the criteria. He is a finalist in American Idol (Season 5). Monkeyman(talk) 06:42, 12 March 2006 (UTC)
  • Delete per nom. I have no idea who this guy is — Preceding unsigned comment added by 64.12.116.131 (talk • contribs)
I may not know who some people on Wikipedia are, but if they meet the standards for the site, I think they deserve to be there. --JamesB3 07:46, 13 March 2006 (UTC)
  • Keep I don't care that people dont know who this guy is!! He is one of the best singers on American Idol!!! — Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.177.3.98 (talk • contribs)
  • Delete fancruft (as the page admits) The only thing encyclopedic is the songs he sung which is already at American Idol (Season 5) -- Astrokey44|talk 15:56, 12 March 2006 (UTC)
  • KEEP His is a relevant entry. The content needs to be increased and enriched. He is up and coming. Be patient! — Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.32.164.156 (talk • contribs)
  • Delete, as personally I don't consider American Idol a real major music competition, and the regular failure of competitors on such competitions to convert their temporary fame into anything permanent would give some support to this. But then I am a snob. Average Earthman 19:00, 12 March 2006 (UTC)
Many of the competitors on this show have managed careers after the series has ended. Josh Gracin, Bo Bice, Kimberley Locke, Carrie Underwood, Kelly Clarkson, Clay Aiken have all been on the charts and/or won major awards, and others (Tamyra Gray, George Huff, La Toya London, etc.) have released albums or had major roles on Broadway or film (Diana DeGarmo, Jennifer Hudson, Frenchie). If the article is going to be deleted on the criteria that the people on the show go on to failure, then I think this article should be kept. --JamesB3 07:46, 13 March 2006 (UTC)
  • Keep, unless the intent to delete pages on all other American Idol finalists. (AI is a real major music competition viz the 30+ million viewers who tune in to the program each week; no other competition comes close.) Is becoming a finalist the same as "won or placed" in a competition? I'd argue it is; the finalists, at least, have placed somewhere in the 1-12 area; some may turn out not to be notable, others likely will. Best to keep until we know for sure. Thehappysmith 19:26, 12 March 2006 (UTC)
  • Merge into contestants article. ProhibitOnions 21:37, 12 March 2006 (UTC)
  • Keep verifiable and seems to meet WP:BIO. --W.marsh 21:58, 12 March 2006 (UTC)
  • KEEP, just let us keep working on this article and we can make it more encyclopedia like. He is also the best singer on American Idol!!! We have articles on the other Top 24 contestants and you let us keep it, so why can't we keep this one?-User:Cory pratt
  • Delete per nom. i don't think contestants should have their own seperate pages, even if they compete on a popular show. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 64.12.116.131 (talk • contribs)
  • Delete per nom. If he wins or makes a hit record then you can make it again. --Scaife (Talk) Don't forget Hanlon's Razor 06:21, 13 March 2006 (UTC)
  • Very Weak Keep -- I think it might be better to group all contestants together on a single "American Idol Contestants (Season 5)" page, but since such a page does not exist, the best option seems to leave the existing page as it is... borderline for qualification on WP:MUSIC, so I must vote to err on the side of caution, hence the weak keep vote. --Viridian {Talk} 06:27, 13 March 2006 (UTC)
  • Delete. Yes the person does compete on American Idol, but I wonder, do contestants from CBS's Survivor get their own pages?
  • Keep. Every finalist in Idol is famous enough to have a page about them. The claim that this is "some non notable tv contestant" is absurd. It always pisses me off when I find information and notice someone wants to delete it. Lapinmies 07:27, 13 March 2006 (UTC)
  • Keep He's a finalist on one of the most popular series in America (and unlike Survivor, there is a certain process where you go through semifinals, then the finals - the public votes for you to get to the finals), and many of the people who are finalists on this show go on to have a career in the entertainment industry, sometimes a very successful career, even if they don't win. I also don't think it's appropriate to propose this one article for deletion while not nominating any other American Idol season 5 finalists for deletion. If that means they are "notable", since they have not been nominated for deletion, then Yamin is just as notable. --JamesB3 07:39, 13 March 2006 (UTC)
  • KEEP All the American Idol finalists have their own pages.
  • Keep Can't see what harm it will do, I actually researched someone from American Idol the other day on here, and was pleased to find the information I wanted. --Nicholaking 00:00, 13 March 2006 (UTC)
  • Keep' all American Idol finalists have their own articles, there's no reason why Elliott should be the exception - note I posted exactly that on the AfD that is currently ongoing for Bucky Covington MLA 10:19, 13 March 2006 (UTC)
  • Keep' Unless intention is to merge American Idol finalists into one page. Best idea would probably be to keep individual pages for winners and/or those who have gone on to do something notable in their professional careers (for example Jennifer Hudson, a former contestant, who is playing the lead, Effie, in the film version of "Dreamgirls" starring Jamie Foxx and Beyonce Knowles) and merge the rest into a single page.
  • Keep per Monkeyman. --DDG 17:29, 13 March 2006 (UTC)
  • Keep' this guy is probably going to win American Idol 5, and is picking up fans left and right, even in the UK
  • Delete - Don't care if I'm going against concensus here. For Pete's sake, the guy is a game show loser who cares?!? -Oscar Arias 10:20, 17 March 2006 (UTC)
observation - Whole lotta unsigned votes out there, suspect entire fan club came out to vote. -Oscar Arias 10:20, 17 March 2006 (UTC)
Considering that two or three of the "delete" comments are unsigned, I'm not sure about that. As for the game show loser - if that's the case, then every page involving anyone who was involved with a game show would have to be deleted. I can't imagine that happening any time soon.--JamesB3 01:46, 19 March 2006 (UTC)


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