English Wikipedia @ Freddythechick:Articles for deletion/EzMess

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was delete. Keep argument does not provide sources to establish notability. lifebaka++ 18:03, 6 August 2008 (UTC)

EzMess

Non-notable defunct project by a new Wikipedian. 72 Ghits. Apparently, no independent sourcing. Damiens.rf 17:21, 30 July 2008 (UTC)

Indeed, the article mentions the project was initially called "EcMess", and that word has a lot more GHits. Maybe some independent coverage may be found, but I have seen none so far. --Damiens.rf 18:55, 30 July 2008 (UTC)
Delete per nom. - House of Scandal (talk) 19:20, 30 July 2008 (UTC)

I just added this article as a very early example of Comet technology. I really don't see a COI problem here, mainly because the project is inactive and it was added as a historical entry.

If you people believe that the description I gave is biased or poses a conflict of interests then I propose that the entry be reduced to just the historical data. Like so:

During 1999 an argentine team lead by Nicolás Echániz based in Buenos Aires developed EcMess[1] (later renamed to EzMess) which was an early example of event-driven web development, a technique later known as Comet. It consisted of a cross-browser web based instant messenger. The server side of the application was written in Python, based on Sam Rushing's Medusa[2] -an extensible Internet server framework which was also the codebase for the Zope server. The client side was javascript.

It might also be more appropriate to rename the entry to EcMess, considering the Ghits for each name. I don't find arguments or positions here that would need support, other than the fact that this thing existed and was created in 1999 which makes it a very early and quite complex example of Comet. It's just that. There were public uses of the group capabilities of EzMess in it's early years, if that data is relevant I may contact the people involved. This entry was created as a historical entry related to Comet. I added it separately in order to avoid adding more trouble to the already conflicted Comet article.

I'd rather modify this article and make it useful than delete it altogether.

Regards nicoechaniz —Preceding undated comment was added at 20:37, 30 July 2008 (UTC)

Delete: per nom. If this is a notable example of a technology, then merge the appropriate content to that article. RGTraynor 22:25, 30 July 2008 (UTC)

Alright. If the majority here agrees to that then I'll add it to the Comet article.nicoechaniz —Preceding undated comment was added at 19:39, 31 July 2008 (UTC)
Do you know about some discussion in some reliable source about this EzMess being a notable example of such and such technology? The comet article is still in the progress of removing some terribly unsourced/badly-sourced passages, and it wouldn't benefit from the addition of more of them at this point.

Regardless of that, if you know about some reasonable amount of coverage of EzMess by reliable sources, it could stay as an article of its own (i.e., not be deleted). For instance, have it been reviewed in some (respectable) tech journal? Have its demise been noted by the press? Anything? --Damiens.rf 21:31, 31 July 2008 (UTC)
this is a notable example of Comet technology as it was developed when this technology was just being cenceived and didn't even have a name. EzMess was a fully functional web based Instant Messenger back in 1999 -still functional today-. Regarding reliability of sources I will quote you Damien and then add a proposal:

"Stop the presses! I've found some references for Meebo+comet on the official blogs for meebo developers." I was the head developer for EzMess and if you prefer me to add an entry to my blog about this matter so that you can add EzMess as a very early Comet example into the historical section of the Comet article, I'll have no objection to that. I'd like to make clear that the only thing I want to say is: "EzMess was an example of the early use of Comet technology to create a web based instant messenger back in 1999." This is the only affirmation there and you can verify it by asking me or the other developers involved or even by looking at the code if you believe that's necessary, I can make it available for review to anyone interested. Thanks to you all for taking the time to evaluate this.nicoechaniz —Preceding undated comment was added at 12:34, 1 August 2008 (UTC)

"Comet" was never "conceived" as a technology. It is just a name invented to tell apart some techniques from others. And since "Comet" is a neologism created to describe something that already existed, there's not inherently notable in having used comet before its invention.

Mentioning meboo on the comet article is ok because meboo is notable (of course, as long as we can show it uses comet). The same criteria may be applied to Ezmess: If it turns out to be considered notable, we can mention it at the neologism article. --Damiens.rf 14:02, 1 August 2008 (UTC)

Damiens thanks for your deep insights on the Comet subject, I hadn't realized you were an authoritative expert on this matter, I thought you were just a guy striving for correctness and accountability of information. I'll leave this conflicted matter to you and Jacobs. It's been almost nice sharing with you.nicoechaniz —Preceding undated comment was added at 15:50, 1 August 2008 (UTC)

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.