English Wikipedia @ Freddythechick:Articles for deletion/Jimmy Nakayama

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was no consensus for deletion, but plenty of consensus for a merge or redirect if anyone wants to try that. Shii (tock) 07:04, 17 June 2013 (UTC)

Jimmy Nakayama

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I hate nominating articles like this one because I feel his sacrifice holds more value than some one-hit wonder rapper, but the subject fails WP:SOLDIER. The one source used in the article focuses as much on his family and their reaction to the movie than on the subject himself, enough so that I'm not sure it passes WP:GNG. At that point, the article looks more like a memorial than coverage. The subject was portrayed in a movie, but his character was minor and I don't think we can consider it significant. Even the article author calls it a "mention" in the book We Were Soliders. A fine American no doubt and I won't be heartbroken if it gets kept, but I felt like I had to be fair in nominating it. Niteshift36 (talk) 15:04, 3 June 2013 (UTC)

Merge to Battle of Ia Drang per WP:ONEEVENT or Keep if people feel the merging of the account of the death of one soldier to that article would not be appropriate. The Galloway memoir and the Billings Gazette piece, along with many briefer book mentions is sufficient for GNG, in my opinion. 24.151.116.25 (talk) 16:45, 3 June 2013 (UTC)

I wouldn't oppose a redirect. Not sure merge would work since he wasn't a real factor in the battle. The current article doesn't even mention him and he isn't much more notable than any other soldier that died there. Niteshift36 (talk) 21:38, 3 June 2013 (UTC)

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Delete With regret; this FindAGrave entry shows the grave marker; only medal shown is the Purple Heart, none which would weigh towards keeping. Not a clear GNG keep. Dru of Id (talk) 18:16, 3 June 2013 (UTC)
Delete. WP:NOTMEMORIAL. A soldier who died in war like many millions of others. -- Necrothesp (talk) 23:05, 3 June 2013 (UTC)
Delete Per above comments. Intothat darkness 16:49, 4 June 2013 (UTC)
Keep or redirect to Battle of Ia Drang; subject received significant coverage from the Billings Gazette and multiple mentions in non-primary reliable sources; I could argue that the subject is notable per WP:GNG; but it appears that other editors above do not agree with me. It could be said that the subject received the multiple mentions per WP:BIO1E, and thus a redirect to the event that the subject received significant coverage about, which in this case is the Battle of Ia Drang.--RightCowLeftCoast (talk) 10:31, 5 June 2013 (UTC)

Again, I wouldn't oppose a redirect. The "mentions" you keep citing are exactly that, mentions, which we know does nothing to satisfy the requirement for significant coverage. Whether the coverage in the small paper from Billings is actually about him or is about his family could be debated I guess. Niteshift36 (talk) 12:24, 5 June 2013 (UTC)

Comment The Gazette is the main paper in Billings if that makes any difference. I'd be happy with a redirect here, although I still feel that he's not notable in and of himself. Intothat darkness 17:37, 5 June 2013 (UTC)

It wouldn't to me. Main paper or not, it's small. Billings isn't exactly a major city. Niteshift36 (talk) 17:48, 5 June 2013 (UTC)

Billings is the largest city in Montana (over 100k population), so maybe not globally it is not a major city, but regionally it's very important, as so is the paper regionally.--RightCowLeftCoast (talk) 20:02, 5 June 2013 (UTC)

Ok. The size of the city or the perceived importance of the paper isn't really the issue, so I'm not sure why we're spending so much time on that. Niteshift36 (talk) 20:16, 5 June 2013 (UTC)

You'll notice that I originally voted to delete and would be happy with either that or a redirect. Notability can be defined by regional considerations, and if the Gazette is the largest paper in a particular region that gives it slightly more weight than if it were the Dogpatch Sun-Times, the smallest of three papers circulating in a town with a population of 500. His being mentioned in the Gazette doesn't make him more notable to me, but it's worth putting the paper's context out there for others who might weigh those things differently. Intothat darkness 21:14, 5 June 2013 (UTC)

Keep - Seems to pass GNG only because of the scene depicted in the movie. The detailed discussion as to the We Were Soldiers and the reality can be seen here.[1] with tiny mentions in other sources like this. [2] Some others are in Highbeam. [3] Though if you want to cover the history properly, I think the records would need to be dug up at the archives. ChrisGualtieri (talk) 03:11, 8 June 2013 (UTC)
Keep per LeftCoast and ChrisGualtieri. While he doesn't pass WP:SOLDIER, he easily passes WP:GNG. I also think the article has been fixed up enough for WP:HEY. In the alternative, a merge a la Roderick_Wetherill#Roderick_Wetherill.2C_Jr. would work, too. Bearian (talk) 16:31, 13 June 2013 (UTC)
Merge to Battle of Ia Drang per WP:ONEEVENT. There only appears to be one article specifically about him, with the other citations being passing mentions, so I don't see how he passes WP:GNG. Bondegezou (talk) 09:44, 14 June 2013 (UTC)
delete and do not merge. One death in a way. The guideline is NOT MEMORIAL. If he were central to either the battle or the movie there would be a case for keeping or merging, but that's not the situation. It's just one incident, that happened to be mentioned in sources along with many others. going by the GNG, the GNG requires substantial, not incidental coverage. Trying to call this substantial coverage is stretching it very far. Coverage of the death of someone in a local paper is not discriminating coverage, and avoiding this is the very purpose of NOT MEMORIAL. DGG ( talk ) 05:36, 15 June 2013 (UTC)
Keep This is a borderline case; while I usually don't think only two RS (the book and the Billings Gazette) are sufficient for notability, the nom summed it up well: "I feel his sacrifice holds more value than some one-hit wonder rapper...". If not kept, redirect to Battle of Ia Drang. Miniapolis 15:59, 16 June 2013 (UTC)

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