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Johnny Luk

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The subject does not meet general notability requirements or the notability requirements for a politician. The only coverage of the subject is by local and obscure outlets who provide run-of-the-mill coverage of him as a candidate in local elections. thena (talk) 19:01, 9 June 2024 (UTC)

  • Delete Agree that subject lacks required notability for an article. Williehuggies (talk)
Williehuggies (talk) 10:05, 10 June 2024 (UTC)
A bright cold day in april (talk) 12:10, 10 June 2024 (UTC)
  • Comment: My bad for not providing Chinese translation in my first comment, I have placed the translated versions of the five Chinese sources below:
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1.Wen Wei Po: In this UK general election, there are 9 British Chinese candidates running, including 29-year-old Conservative Party candidate Johnny Luk, who was born in Hong Kong. Luk, who is running for Parliament for the first time, recounts his experience of racial discrimination during his studies, revealing that he was once told to "go back to China." He calls on the Chinese community to speak up more, to drive improvements in the government's policies and funding for the Chinese community, and even to influence the UK's foreign relations with East Asia.
Luk moved to Europe with his parents as a child, living in the Netherlands and Germany, before settling in the UK at the age of 10. Luk reveals that he had few Chinese friends growing up, and was even bullied for his race. "When I was studying in a boarding school, a group of people surrounded me and shouted 'go back to China.' I will never forget this experience." Luk later took up rowing, and won the national under-18 rowing championship in 2009, gradually regaining his confidence. He started getting involved in politics during university.
Johnson supports Luk in a video
After graduating, Luk worked in the UK government's Brexit department, later moving to the HR consulting firm Adecco. In recent years, the UK political arena has been severely polarized due to the Brexit controversy, which has motivated Luk to run for office. He reveals that some of his friends were surprised when they learned he was running, but he believes that as radical political views are gaining momentum, moderates need to step up.
During the 2016 Brexit referendum, Luk chose to remain in the EU, but this did not prevent him from being nominated to contest the Hampstead and Kilburn constituency in Greater London, challenging the Labour incumbent. Prime Minister Boris Johnson even filmed a promotional video openly supporting Luk.
Proud of Chinese culture
In the previous election, the Conservatives suffered a heavy defeat of over 15,000 votes in Hampstead and Kilburn, but in 2015 they lost by just over 1,100 votes. Although the Brexit Party has also fielded a candidate to challenge the seat, Luk said he is confident of winning, and called on Liberal Democrat supporters to switch to him to prevent a Labour victory under leader Keir Starmer.
As a ethnic minority candidate, Luk strongly criticized the Labour Party's ongoing anti-Semitism scandals. He also described some liberal demands to protect the rights of EU citizens as actually discriminating against non-EU immigrants, asking "Why not bring in Hong Kong nurses? My Auntie is one, and she is very excellent."
Luk described the current UK as full of uncertainties, and hopes that through participating in politics, he can add a calm and rational voice to the UK, and promote further integration of the British Chinese community into society. Luk pointed out that China has a rich culture and history from which the world can learn, and he is also proud of his Chinese identity.

2.The News Lens: This includes 32-year-old Johnny Luk, who contested the Hampstead and Kilburn constituency in the 2019 general election.

Luk's father is from Hong Kong and his mother is Taiwanese. He grew up living in various European countries like Poland and Germany before settling in the UK. After graduating from university with a degree in natural sciences, Luk worked in government in 2012 before joining the Conservative Party two years later. "The UK Chinese community is relatively quiet compared to the Chinese communities in Canada and Australia, and the people who guided me happened to be from the Conservative Party. They tried to encourage more East Asians to get involved in politics, which gradually drew me in."
As a former co-director of the Conservative Friends of the Chinese, Luk candidly acknowledged that in recent years, the Chinese community has faced a difficult situation due to anti-Chinese sentiment arising from COVID-19 and geopolitical tensions. However, this has not dampened the Chinese community's enthusiasm for political engagement. Luk explained that the Conservatives are adept at reaching out to the Chinese community and champion diversity, catering to groups from Malaysia, Singapore, Hong Kong, and Taiwan, rather than just representing mainland China. He added, "The Conservatives are very rational and organized, with a rigorous candidate selection process involving testing and interviews. In contrast, Labour often needs to obtain the support of trade unions, which explains why the Conservatives have more Chinese candidates." He particularly noted that Hong Kong people will become a significant voter base that cannot be ignored.
Despite his defeat in the 2019 election, Luk is already preparing for the next general election. "I understand that no matter what I do, I will be subject to media criticism, so I must have a thick skin and focus on my own affairs. I also used to work from 4 a.m., so I need to be clear about my capabilities and focus on shaking hands with voters and showing them I care. Lastly, I need to just enjoy the process and not be too rigid."

3.Phoenix Television: Johnny Luk, 25 years old, followed his parents to immigrate to the UK when he was 10 years old. After graduating from a university in the UK, he now works at a non-profit organization, helping university graduates in the UK realize their entrepreneurial dreams.

His personal experiences and professional experience have made him feel that the UK needs to be closely connected with a world power like China. He is very glad to see Chinese President Xi Jinping's visit to the UK, believing that the timing is right.
Luk, a Hong Kong immigrant living in the UK, said: "I think this is a step in the right direction. The relationship has been getting closer and closer over the years, including in terms of economic partnership. For example, the UK Chancellor wants to increase UK exports to China from 25 billion to 30 billion pounds. And in terms of culture, there are more than 500,000 Chinese people in the UK, and more than 100,000 international students. We are training future leaders for China and the world. In the long run, I am very optimistic and things will only get better."
On the 21st, President Xi met with UK Prime Minister Cameron and witnessed the signing of a 40 billion pound cooperation agreement between the two countries. Johnny Luk, who has worked at the UK Government's Trade and Investment Office for three years, believes this will play an important role in the UK's future development.
Luk said that the perfect friendship is based on mutual respect, and good relations need to be maintained. The UK Prime Minister needs to visit China regularly, and Chinese state leaders such as the President should also come to the UK again. The UK also needs to catch up with some other countries, of course China has very close relations with its neighboring countries. From the trade indicators, Germany is stronger than the UK, and we still have room for development. It is very crucial to unleash the potential of the Chinese living in the UK.

4.BBC: "Seeing what is happening (in Hong Kong), I feel very sad," said 29-year-old Conservative Party candidate Johnny Luk. Although China is sometimes controversial, the China-UK relationship is still much better than the relationship between Russia and the UK. "I hope I can build a bridge between China and the UK, and enhance mutual understanding," said the 29-year-old Conservative Party candidate Johnny Luk.

Luk's father is from Hong Kong and his mother is from Taiwan. Probably due to his Chinese ethnic background, he is often asked about his attitude towards China. "I look Chinese, but I don't represent the country of China. I am British first. I'm proud of my ancestry, but that doesn't mean I agree with all of China's decisions."
5.Wen Wei Po: The 25-year-old Johnny Luk followed his parents to immigrate to the UK when he was 10 years old. Now, after graduating from university, he works at a non-profit organization, helping university graduates in the UK realize their entrepreneurial dreams. He expressed that he is very pleased to see the improvement in China-UK relations, and this will benefit the people of both countries. "I think this is a step in the right direction. The relationship has been getting closer and closer over the years, including in terms of economic partnership. For example, the UK Chancellor wants to increase UK exports to China from 25 billion pounds (about HK$2,993 billion) to 30 billion pounds (about HK$3,592 billion)."
In my opinion, even if the two English sources discussed below are excluded, these five sources already provided enough SIGCOV to pass WP:GNG and should be kept. —Prince of Erebor（The Book of Mazarbul） 14:45, 10 June 2024 (UTC)
  • Delete. If he's elected in the general election next month, the article can be recreated but for the time being he doesn't meet WP:POLITICIAN or WP:GNG. As to the Camden New Journal and Islington Tribune articles mentioned by others, these seem to be cut-and-paste jobs from press releases put out by his campaign, which is sadly the norm in British local newspapers. I would argue that they do not constitute significant coverage in reliable sources that are independent of the subject. Lincolnite (talk) 13:52, 10 June 2024 (UTC)
  • @Lincolnite: Hi Lincolnite. I have also presented five Chinese sources which documented his life not related to the elections in SIGCOV. Please review the sources I have provided, and enlighten me why you find the notability is still not demonstrated from them. If you need help with the translations, please let me know as well. (Edit:I have provided translations above.) —Prince of Erebor（The Book of Mazarbul） 14:12, 10 June 2024 (UTC)
    Delete - nothing he has done prior to or including his candidacy are notable enough to warrant an article. Half a dozen puff pieces on the same subject is not significant enough to meet the GNG significant coverage requirement. Saltywalrusprkl (talk) 15:34, 10 June 2024 (UTC)
    He is barely mentioned in the Chinese language articles, which are all about people running for office, and aren't even specifically on him. SportingFlyer T·C 01:39, 11 June 2024 (UTC)
  • @SportingFlyer: Hmm... Mind reading the two Wen Wei Po and the Phoenix Television articles again? Not sure how you came up with the conclusion that he was "barely mentioned" and was mentioned along with other candidates. Two of them aren't even related to elections at all (which were published in 2015). —Prince of Erebor（The Book of Mazarbul） 04:18, 11 June 2024 (UTC)
    One Wen Wei Po article is about Xi Jinping visiting England, as is the Phoenix Television article. He's mentioned, but that's clearly not significant coverage of him - it looks like he was just interviewed for an article. The other Wen Wei Po article is simply about how he's running as a candidate, which falls afoul of our policies on political candidates (just passing GNG doesn't count since almost all candidates receive some coverage.) SportingFlyer T·C 05:58, 11 June 2024 (UTC)
  • @SportingFlyer: Thanks for reviewing the sources again. I respectfully beg to differ with the last part of your statement. NPOL (along with all NBLP) can be mutually exclusive from GNG. An article can pass GNG and be kept even if there are concerns about NPOL. I also want to note that I disagree with some of the delete !votes in this discussion that brought up stuffs like poll results, which have no bearing on notability. However, since multiple editors have found the Chinese sources to be run-of-the-mill, the consensus seems clear and I no longer have a strong rationale to argue that the subject person meets GNG. Therefore, I will retract my keep !vote and instead go for a Weak delete. —Prince of Erebor（The Book of Mazarbul） 06:54, 11 June 2024 (UTC)
    That is true, but we consistently interpret NPOL and the GNG in such a way that people who are only notable for being political candidates are not notable unless their candidacy was notable in some way, because all candidates generally receive at least some coverage, but tend not to have lasting notability ("you can't make yourself notable.") If our subject were notable for other reasons, there'd be no reason not to keep the article. SportingFlyer T·C 15:16, 11 June 2024 (UTC)
  • @SportingFlyer: Yep, what you said is exactly true. That was the reason why I tried to present sources outside of his political career in the first place, such as his early life and him being representative for an NGO, to prove that he passes GNG and despite the election not taking place, NPOL should not be a concern. Anyway, glad that we made a consensus here. —Prince of Erebor（The Book of Mazarbul） 12:55, 12 June 2024 (UTC)
Keep - No evidence at all that it is a cut and paste article from press releases- indeed the examples cited are clearly interviews or written neutrally. Also note it makes no sense to delete an article just before a general election - this deletion request is clearly politically motivated. Editorman75 (talk) 20:48, 10 June 2024 (UTC)
Keep - This deletion request just before the UK elections appears to be politically motivated. The person in question is the conservative candidate for the Milton Keynes Central parliamentary constituency in the July 4th 2024 UK parliamentary election. Emailani (talk) 19:54, 12 June 2024 (UTC)

— Editorman75 (talk • contribs) has made few or no other edits outside this topic.

  • Delete - Website already suffers with half a dozen pages for people who do not need one, and given that polling suggests that he will be unlikely to win does not really add to this article's case. Agree with everything else stated so far. Tweedle (talk) 16:49, 10 June 2024 (UTC)
  • Delete an article on an unelected political candidate which reads like a CV and who is not otherwise notable. If he wins, we can restore the article. SportingFlyer T·C 19:28, 10 June 2024 (UTC)
    Keep: The timing of this deletion request seems strange, just weeks before a General Election. His page was up all the way till now, when arguably he is more significant now than before. The only poll that matters is the actual election result, so this comment also does not add to the debate. Editorman75 (talk) 20:45, 10 June 2024 (UTC)

— Duplicate !vote: Editorman75 (talk • contribs) has already cast a !vote above.

He’s also a regular writer for world federation rowing, an Olympic sport: https://worldrowing.com/2023/05/10/the-irish-powerhouse-that-is-skibbereen-rowing-club/
  • I see absolutely no reason to move to delete this article, other than political motivation from rival candidates. This should be a factual and unbiased repository, regardless of potential election outcomes this is a person of note to be recorded. Editorman75 (talk) 20:59, 10 June 2024 (UTC)

— Duplicate !vote: Editorman75 (talk • contribs) has already cast a !vote above.

  • There are several people advocating to keep this article, so I should probably expand my comment - every single source in the article is about him being a candidate, which we do not consider notable under the GNG and NPOL - local or general does not matter. The sources presented here are either election related or written by him, or he's been interviewed, including the non-English sources, which I translated. If he gets elected, he'll be eligible for an article, and I don't know why this is up for deletion now, but it's probably just because someone noticed. But this is a classic "only a candidate" article. SportingFlyer T·C 01:38, 11 June 2024 (UTC)
  • Keep: The first editor suggested he was a local candidate. This is not true, he is not a candidate for the local elections - but for the General Election in 2019 and 2024[1][2]. That should heighten his notability. This was also highlighted by PR Week[3], a major publication. He was also mentioned by a range of major papers introducing the UK Prime Minister Rishi Sunak, including the Evening Standard[4]. In terms of other notability, he is clearly been a writer[5] for Al Jazeera, a major publication and the HuffPost[6]. RogueWanderer29 (talk) 21:28, 10 June 2024 (UTC)

— RogueWanderer29 (talk • contribs) has made few or no other edits outside this topic.

  • Please see WP:NPOL. Simply being a candidate for office does not confer notability. The Evening Standard is routine campaign coverage, primarily about Rishi Sunak campaigning in Buckinghamshire, and only name-checks Luk right at the end: "He was introduced at the Q&A session by Johnny Luk, the Conservative candidate for Milton Keynes Central" - that is a long way from demonstrating notability. AusLondonder (talk) 17:00, 11 June 2024 (UTC)
    As above. The broadcast media is obliged to give equal coverage for all candidates in a constituency per British rules, and non-partisan local newspapers will also attempt this level of impartiality. Luk ran in a Labour fiefdom in 2019 and got under half the amount of votes of the winner. He's forecast to lose in 2024. [8] Also, Al Jazeera and HuffPost enlist thousands of bloggers and writers from all over the world, these people are not employees and their writings are not endorsed by the publications. More importantly, no third party is writing about Luk's notability as a writer for AJ and HP. Unknown Temptation (talk) 17:20, 13 June 2024 (UTC)

References

  1. ^ "Milton Keynes Central". BBC.
  2. ^ Whocanivotefor UK General Election https://whocanivotefor.co.uk/person/71469/ UK General Election. {{cite web}}: Check |url= value (help); Missing or empty |title= (help)
  3. ^ Owen, Jonathan. "Conservative general election comms revealed". PR Weekly.
  4. ^ Cecil, Nicholas. "RIshi Sunak challenged over partygate scandal fine by man whose mum died in Covid pandemic".
  5. ^ Luk, Johnny. https://www.aljazeera.com/author/johnny-luk. {{cite web}}: Missing or empty |title= (help)
  6. ^ Luk, Johnny. https://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/author/johnny-luk. {{cite web}}: Missing or empty |title= (help)
  • Keep WP:SIGCOV in both UK and Chinese language sources. AlessandroTiandelli333 (talk) 23:40, 10 June 2024 (UTC)
  • Comment for closing admin Please be aware both RogueWanderer29 and Editorman75 have been created 20 hours ago and made zero contributions other than at this AfD. Editorman75 has also attempted to !vote three times. AusLondonder (talk) 17:15, 11 June 2024 (UTC)
    Does this in any way diminish my valid opinion? You also state in your bio that you are strongly against people pushing their political agendas. I feel that in pushing for deletion of this article that exactly what ‘thena’ hopes to achieve Editorman75 (talk) 17:21, 11 June 2024 (UTC)
    No it doesn't but it does if you keep spamming Keeps everywhere Tweedle (talk) 09:24, 15 June 2024 (UTC)
  • Delete this article is just self-promotion. Abcmaxx (talk) 20:57, 11 June 2024 (UTC)
  • Comment for all these accounts saying this is politically motivated, there are completely germane reasons why this would be up for deletion now. There is higher attention on the page about the constituency if there is a new election for editors to write about. A page on someone of such a low profile would have passed by unnoticed until then. Also bear in mind that Wikipedia:An article about yourself isn't necessarily a good thing, having a Wikipedia article isn't like having a website or a Twitter account, it's hardly a medium that would benefit a political candidate and highly likely to do the reverse. Unknown Temptation (talk) 17:11, 13 June 2024 (UTC)
  • Draftity currently does not meet WP:GNG. In the event of his election, would meet WP:NPOL. This is WP:TOOSOON at best and has been since its creation. Orange sticker (talk) 17:45, 15 June 2024 (UTC)
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