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The result was delete. Keep rationales not policy based SmartSE (talk) 20:01, 6 February 2014 (UTC)

Kripparrian

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Insufficient coverage in reliable, third-party sources. The subject's notability is presented as being because of being the first person to complete a specific achievement in two Blizzard games. The first source in the article is a good reference, albeit one more about his achievement rather than about him. The second reference is not sufficiently independent, as a player listing for a promotional tournament run by Blizzard, for a Blizzard game, on a Blizzard website is not independent. The third source is reasonably well regarded within its sphere and independent of Blizzard, but the primary content of the article is an interview (which are not considered independent), and again is mostly passing commentary on his achievement rather than in-depth coverage about him. --(ʞɿɐʇ) ɐuɐʞsǝp 19:05, 14 January 2014 (UTC)

Hello Deskana. I've attempted to meet some of the problems you've brought up but I do have a question. Regarding the source for the iron man challenge accomplishment, you say that the article is "mostly passing commentary on his achievement rather than in-depth coverage of him." Is this asking for an in-depth coverage of him during the iron man challenge event or just about him in general? I don't know if an "in-depth coverage of him" regarding this particular accomplishment is possible if that is the case. Despite the primary content of the article being an interview, I cited the article because it noted the accomplishment. Should I try and find an article that doesn't have an interview in it but notes the accomplishment? Other than that, I hope you, or someone else, can say whether or not the sources I added for the two other problems that were pointed are sufficient. Thank you. Kamibaby (talk) 09:36, 15 January 2014 (UTC)
- @Kamibaby: The two new sources are also just player listings for tournaments, which suffer from most of the problems that the second one does. Unfortunately, if most of the sources covering someone are only player listings for a person's participation in video game tournaments, then the person doesn't meet our notability guidelines and shouldn't have an article. In-depth coverage of him as a result of an in-game achievement probably isn't possible, which is why I nominated this article for deletion. I'm a big fan of esports and of Blizzard games in particular, but not everything should be included. --(ʞɿɐʇ) ɐuɐʞsǝp 13:29, 15 January 2014 (UTC)
Keep he was invited to the biggest tournament ever for a notable game. One hosted by the creating company at their biggest event of the year. I think that should be reason enough. But I'm more of an inclusionist. But he also went to the finals. He was in the biggest game of the tournament. Which is so far the biggest game ever. If this were badminton, he would clearly be included. McKay (talk) 22:03, 16 January 2014 (UTC)

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Comment - Here's an interview of him at a site affiliated with GameSpot.[1] Here's a very brief mention on Joystiq.[2] SharkD Talk 07:35, 20 January 2014 (UTC)
Delete Hugely inadequate secondary source coverage for meeting WP:N. Did any of the rather weak sources cited even refer to him by his real name? Has the competition he won been deemed notable? If yes, then I might have to reconsider. But that still leaves us looking for reliable in depth coverage about the subject from WP:RS sources. Maybe someone could do an article on the competition and work him in to it. -Ad Orientem (talk) 01:59, 23 January 2014 (UTC)
Keep This is a case where an exception according to WP:ENT and WP:IAR is to be made. Even though there are very few reliable sources that adequately cover Kripparrian, he is an entertainer that has a huge cult following, which is the primary reason an exception is to be made. His stream has been visited over 65 million times as of today (!). He is unique and prolific, and also has a central role in the Twitch community: many twitch streamers know who he is and when he streams he frequently has the highest amount of viewers on Twitch. The reason why there are so few reliable sources covering Kripparrian is because he refuses to accept any sponsorships (and thus doesn't have anyone that pitches stories to news outlets), and also because up until recently, he did not have an interest in playing in eSports tournaments. Yet, he is a very famous gamer. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 37.188.79.49 (talk) 00:30, 25 January 2014 (UTC)
Comment An NPC has been named after Kripparrian in the game Guild Wars 2. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 37.188.79.49 (talk) 00:35, 25 January 2014 (UTC)

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so a clearer consensus may be reached.

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Mark Arsten (talk) 01:11, 25 January 2014 (UTC)

Comment A google search for "Kripparrian" returns 622,000 results. His Youtube channel has over 200,000 subscribers. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.165.141.153 (talk) 08:50, 30 January 2014 (UTC)

Keep I'm not well-acquainted with Wikipedia's notability policy, but as has been noted by others on this page, the lack of solid sources on this page should not be taken to represent a lack of fame or notability on Kripparrian's behalf. Within Hearthstone alone he is widely considered to be the most popular (and most highly-viewed) streamer in the game. He is a candidate for the 2013 Blizzard Stream Awards, and from what I've seen of the forum polling posts, is likely to win in the Hearthstone category by a landslide. His achievements in Diablo III and WoW also make him notable in these two very popular games. He has also featured in ESGN's Fight Night shows. I do agree the page could do with improvement and some more content. -- Taohinton (talk) 18:01, 2 February 2014 (UTC)

Keep I feel this page is just suffering from growing pains and in due time will have more than enough sources and coverage. As has been said, player listings are not the best sources but that rather means that it is difficult to find good sources rather than the person in question not being notable. Gaara the Fifth Kazekage (talk) 16:35, 4 February 2014 (UTC)
Delete I see WP:MUSTBESOURCES appeals and arguments about what a good gamer he is or how many followers he has, but none of those address WP:GNG. We'll have to do better than forum posts to demonstrate that. --BDD (talk) 20:08, 4 February 2014 (UTC)
Delete, biography of a living person with inadequate sourcing. Lankiveil ^{(speak to me)} 11:48, 5 February 2014 (UTC).

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