English Wikipedia @ Freddythechick:Articles for deletion/NatureCare

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was delete. Jayjg ^(talk) 02:28, 22 December 2009 (UTC)

NatureCare

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This is a non-notable product. There don't appear to be any sources independent of the manufacturer that establish notability. Proposed deletion was removed by the original author. The article also makes claims that are not supported medical science: homeopathy is recognized as pseudoscience and Wikipedia shouldn't be making such unfounded claims. My attempts to remove these claims from the article were also reverted by the article's sole author. Deli nk (talk) 19:43, 15 December 2009 (UTC)

• Delete, not notable, no reliable sources and we don't have articles on individual brands of something except for notable rare exceptions.--Literaturegeek | T@1k? 20:38, 15 December 2009 (UTC)
• Delete Not a single reference provided. The Nature Care site contains nothing at this time. The author doesn't even properly describe homeopathic dilution.--SPhilbrickT 23:47, 18 December 2009 (UTC)
• Speedy delete all products with no third party sources. SchmuckyTheCat (talk)
• Keep, Notability: of limited notability, but still notable, and becoming more widely recognized, hence the need for this article. Please note that sourcing has been dramatically improved. The healthcare world is full of effective low-pH products. This is the first topical skincare cream with antifungal and anti-infective claims, other than acne products. There are enough examples of individual brands on Wikipedia, which I feel negates this argument, brand include Neosporin, OxiClean, Kaopectate, Metamucil, Tylenol, and many others. Since this is not an article on homeopathy, there is no reason to discuss in detail homeopathy, the dilutions, history of homeopathy, why homeopathy is effective, or why some may feel it is not real science. The healthcare arena in the US is regulated through the FDA, with some congressional actions thrown in every few years. The FDA describes products making homeopathic claims as pharmaceuticals, and regulates them in the same ways as Rx and OTC pharmaceuticals, including manufacturing and product quality testing guideline, with very few exceptions. Whether someone feels homeopathy is science or psudoscience does not belong in this discussion either, but rather more appropriately under homeopathy. The actions of most drugs and why they are effective is not known, and the FDA, the US agency that regulates drugs, is not interested in how drugs work, but rather is the drug safe and effective. If the FDA requires homeopathic products to be regulated as drugs, then they must be, by definition, effective. Also, NatureCare.com site is not the site for the products, but rather http://www.rowelllabs.com. I had asked for help creating a drug box for the NatureCare listing, but none was given thus far, and an editor removed the drug box that had been created. I feel that the article should stay.

--Billybluesky (talk) 18:35, 20 December 2009 (UTC)--

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