English Wikipedia @ Freddythechick:Articles for deletion/Seed AI

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was no consensus. —Darkwind (talk) 03:35, 7 April 2013 (UTC)

Seed AI

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Creating new terms for existing ideas Xkcdreader (talk) 13:54, 23 March 2013 (UTC)

I didn't realize how much I could put for reasons. So .. Seed AI seems to be a person describing Evolutionary_computation Evolutionary_algorithm Genetic_algorithm Reflection_(computer_science) Self-modifying_code and inventing their own name for the concept. The only source for calling this Seed AI over a genetic algorithm is the "inventors" own company. It appears the person who "invented" Seed AI is repackaging others ideas with new names and taking credit for the concept. It is not a notable idea outside of the authors own projects, and the other articles I provided offer a much more comprehensive examination of an algorithm that can modify itself. Xkcdreader (talk) 13:59, 23 March 2013 (UTC)

Note: This debate has been included in the list of Computing-related deletion discussions. • Gene93k (talk) 18:15, 23 March 2013 (UTC)

Delete I couldn't find any decent citation mentioning this even amongst the externals and there has been a tag requesting citations since 2010. The idea sounds okay to me but Wikipedia is suppose to reflect what is out there not our own ideas. Possibly someone can find a decent citation or something talking about the idea properly and rename it before this AfD closes - that is what would be required to change my decision about it. Dmcq (talk) 20:22, 23 March 2013 (UTC)

Keep or Rename I would prefer the article to use the more common term Recursive Self Improvement, but the issue is important and deserves and article. It is certainly not about either Evolutionary_computation Evolutionary_algorithm Genetic_algorithm Reflection_(computer_science) or Self-modifying_code. It describes the well understood and commonly referenced idea that if computers ever became intelligent enough to program themselves then their intelligence would improve exponentially.

In contrast, Evolutionary_computation and Evolutionary_algorithm describes software that evolves randomly based on selection pressure, usually using Genetic_algorithm. Reflection_(computer_science) is a technical term to be able to access programming meta data. Likewise Self-modifying_code is a low level technical term, not implying intelligence.

Rename to Recursive Self Improvement is actually my preferred choice, and there is a link from that term to Seed AI. Tuntable (talk) 00:58, 24 March 2013 (UTC)

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so a clearer consensus may be reached.

Reslist rationale: for those suggesting a rename, please describe how 'Recursive Self Improvement' is notable.

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, J04n(talk page) 23:38, 30 March 2013 (UTC)

For notability there are dozens if not hundreds of references to the term (excluding an annoying song). Bellow are a few, some with peer review. It is also just an obviously important concept. The article itself is weak, and I would rather spend time improving it than arguing here. So I'll give it a week, then do the rename and close this unless there is any serious dissent.

Tuntable (talk) 04:34, 2 April 2013 (UTC)

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