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12 January 2017

Suspected sockpuppets

Similar editing patterns articlewise, Lawsilly was recently blocked for addition of unsourced content similar to Xboxmanwar and other socks. WNYY98 (talk) 04:40, 12 January 2017 (UTC)

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Pinging @Black Kite: as he's the blocking administrator for Xboxmanwar and reckons there's at least two or three more accounts. MM ('"HURRRR?) (Hmmmmm.) 20:18, 17 January 2017 (UTC)

Clerk, CheckUser, and/or patrolling admin comments

  •  Additional information needed - Diffs please. King of ♥ ♦ ♣ ♠ 06:17, 12 January 2017 (UTC)
  • Unlikely, I think. There's quite an overlap in editing but the user does have over 1,000 edits since 2013 and obviously has the same interests as Xboxmanwar. Also, they have made many edits whilst Xboxmanwar was not blocked. Black Kite (talk) 00:28, 25 January 2017 (UTC)

23 February 2017

Suspected sockpuppets

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Xboxmanwar was indefinitely blocked in December 2016, and edited almost exclusively rap music articles. Bloomdoom2 began editing on February 1, 2017, and has made 644 edits to rap music articles. Of those, 52 are to the same articles as Xboxmanwar.

First, both editors have a strong interest in Smash David. On Xboxmanwar's user page, he/she describes Smash David as one of the two articles "I contributed to significantly that were deleted". Naturally, during the deletion discussion, Xboxmanwar made multiple comments in an attempt to save the article. Now look at Bloomdoom2's support of Smash David (which was briefly re-created):

Also, on December 24, 2016, Xboxmanwar created a redirect of Nav (rapper) to XO (record label) with this edit. On February 22, 2017, Bloomdoom2 "discovered" that redirect, and created an article here.

Also, Xboxmanwar made 19 edits to Murda Beatz. Naturally, when Murda Beatz was nominated for deletion, Xboxmanwar voted here to keep the article. Bloomdoom2 has never edited Murda Beatz, but by coincidence when it was nominated for deletion a second time, Bloomdoom2 was the first to vote with this edit.

Also, Xboxmanwar was blocked repeatedly for refusing to add sources, often leaving this edit summary "as listed in bmi". Here is Bloomdoom2 leaving the edit summary "credit sources have already been provided so no need for this now".

Finally, Xboxmanwar was combative with editors who opposed him/her. The talk page of User talk:Bloomdoom2 is almost identical in anger and tone. Magnolia677 (talk) 04:23, 23 February 2017 (UTC)

  • In addition to the above, I have added a couple of more accounts (which I feel could be possibly linked) and it would be good if they are checked for sleepers as well. --Lemongirl942 (talk) 13:42, 2 March 2017 (UTC)

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I am in no way connected to Smash David, I did not create that article or the account associated with that article, you could do a check to verify, I just took a look at the old deletion nomination that a few months prior to the recreation of the article, and I thought since under WP:NMUSIC that he could be notable since he produced two Billboard Hot 100 charting singles, as before he didn't, which I would understand for its deletion.

As for the edit which I said "credit sources have already been provided so no need for this now", another editor named JustDoItFettyg put the credits below the track listing, so I thought those were right and somebody forgot to remove the tag, after that edit was undone I didn't not "edit war" with that article, so I just left it like it.

The claim that I edited 52 articles that article that are the same when "Xboxmanwar" did doesn't I'm that editor, a lot of people are familiar with the same popular hip hop artists right now, and I happen to edit the same articles, just like I've seen other editors that regularly maintain hip hop related articles like me. Bloomdoom2 (talk) 04:31, 23 February 2017 (UTC)

EDIT:

Also, on December 24, 2016, Xboxmanwar created a redirect of Nav (rapper) to XO (record label) with this edit. On February 22, 2017, Bloomdoom2 "discovered" that redirect, and created an article here.

Also, Xboxmanwar made 19 edits to Murda Beatz. Naturally, when Murda Beatz was nominated for deletion, Xboxmanwar voted here to keep the article. Bloomdoom2 has never edited Murda Beatz, but by coincidence when it was nominated for deletion a second time, Bloomdoom2 was the first to vote with this edit.

Whats wrong with starting an article, just because I found a redirect that someone else made that was already linked to other articles, then decided to make an article on him because he has charting songs means that I'm that editor? Also on the Murda Beatz edit, the guy has a Gold single and has produced songs that charted, which meets WP:NMUSIC, so I thought there would be no problem, same thing with the Smash David issue. Just because we both have the same interests does not mean we are the same person, just like many other editors on here that edit within the same field, please stop trying to frame me as this editor. Bloomdoom2 (talk) 00:33, 24 February 2017 (UTC)

EDIT 2: CheckUser has determined that Its its "possible" that I am one of those editors, apparently since all these editors have the same editing style as me, but I add my sources, which with those other editors, they didn't. Bloomdoom2 (talk) 11:27, 3 March 2017 (UTC)
  • Comment - In my opinion this is obvious and Bloomdoom2 should be blocked per WP:DUCK and the below CU result. --Laser brain (talk) 23:10, 13 March 2017 (UTC)
@Laser brain: Please explain how "this is obvious". Bloomdoom2 (talk) 23:14, 13 March 2017 (UTC)
  • Comment - I not a administrator, but I don't think this editor is Xboxmanwar or JayPe. Because this editor do add sources to articles, edits like theses [5] [6] [7] [8] [9] [10] to articles. Magnolia377 accused Bloomdoom2 for having the same anger and tone as Xboxmanwar, well I don't see the same tone to Bloomdoom2, because he don't reverted anyone who go to his talk page try to warm him about the edits he made and seem to be following the guidelines. Not like Xboxmanwar who keep reverting anybody who give him a advice. But this is my opinion. TheAmazingPeanuts (talk) 01:56, 15 March 2017 (UTC)
  • Comment: I would formally invite User:Ponyo to see if he can investigate this case. He's a very good checkuser. SportsLair (talk) 23:04, 1 April 2017 (UTC)
@Ponyo: No problem. I'm so sorry to drag you all into this. Some things just seem suspicious, and they don't always deem to be the same as they used to be. SportsLair (talk) 18:11, 3 April 2017 (UTC)
  • @Ivanvector: In my opinion this is a clear Xboxmanwar sock, or a closely related meatpuppet (friend/roommate/etc) editing at his direction. The editing interests, style, and combativeness are the same. I believe the JayPe sockfarm is a separate user who is now socking via IP addresses. --Laser brain (talk) 14:46, 6 April 2017 (UTC)
  • @Ivanvector: As the editor who first reported this, my suspicion is that Bloomdoom2 is the only sock of Xboxmanwar. Thank you. Magnolia677 (talk) 15:58, 6 April 2017 (UTC)

Clerk, CheckUser, and/or patrolling admin comments

  •  Possible -- Amanda (aka DQ) 03:49, 3 March 2017 (UTC)
  • @SportsLair: Thank you for the compliment, however a checkuser has already been completed on March 3rd and the results provided by Amanda above. The next step is for a Clerk or admin to review the evidence and either act on the findings or close the report as unproven.--Jezebel's Ponyobons mots 17:49, 3 April 2017 (UTC)
  •  Clerk note: IMO, behaviour is not particularly revealing; I'm not yet convinced. @DeltaQuad: when you say possible, which connections are you referring to? @Laser brain: you blocked JayPe on suspicion of sockpuppetry, is it your opinion that the account is a sock of Xboxmanofwar? Or a separate socking user? Also, Smash David was most recently recreated by a sock of MusicLover650 (SPI) which may confuse things even further. Oh, I'll ping Black Kite too, why not? Ivanvector (Talk/Edits) 14:34, 6 April 2017 (UTC)
Here's what we seem to have here: two accounts with an interest in Smash David. That's all of the evidence that has been presented, other than misuse of the duck test masquerading behind several users' gut feelings (in plain English: "I think they're the same" is not evidence). The "possible" CU result is just that: a maybe. Not anything near a confirmation. From the deleted history of Smash David, I see that there are at least 7 accounts and several anons with an interest in this bio. Is this user interested in the subject maybe the same as one of the earlier editors with an interest in this subject? Maybe. And that's the best I can do here: maybe.
Case closed as inconclusive. Ivanvector (Talk/Edits) 17:16, 9 April 2017 (UTC)

12 April 2017

Suspected sockpuppets

I am reopening this case with new evidence at the request of User:Magnolia677 (see requests at [11] and [12]). I am reorganizing the evidence submitted by Magnolia677 here as well as evidence already archived.

Xboxmanwar (talk · contribs) (XBM) is an editor with an interest in rap articles, whose account was created in 2011 but only began editing significantly in January 2016. They have many escalating blocks for failing to cite reliable sources for their edits, most recently blocked 25 December 2016 for 3 months by Laser brain. On 6 January 2017 Black Kite raised this block to indefinite for sockpuppetry. It is not immediately apparent to me what evidence led to Black Kite's conclusion to block, but they have mentioned these accounts:

ELF placed a "welcome back" note on XBM's talk page after one of their blocks expired. XBM was blocked again for failing to cite reliable sources on 25 December 2016, after which the only edit they made was removing ELF's note. ELF was then also blocked on 29 December 2016 for failing to cite sources.

I'm unsure of what prompted Black Kite to connect ELF and XBM, but I agree with their conclusion. I am not convinced there is a connection to WilkesJacob[2].

XBM logged in again on 14 January to contest the block, lashing out at both Black Kite and Magnolia677. After a couple weeks' lull, they came back to stir the pot again on 1 February, making their final edit at 4:59 UTC. Bloomdoom2 (talk · contribs) (BD2) was created at 22:06 UTC on the same day. 832 of BD2's 2,149 edits are to pages which XBM/ELF also edited. BD2 normally edits from 18:00 to 06:00 UTC, with a peak at approximately 04:00.

When asked to compare XBM and BD2, along with JayPe (talk · contribs) and Fargo2017 (talk · contribs), CheckUser DeltaQuad responded with  Possible. She did not elaborate and did not respond when asked to clarify. JayPe and Fargo2017 had previously been blocked by Laser brain for persistent addition of unsourced content and for being each other's sockpuppets. Again it is not evident to me what evidence was consulted to reach this conclusion.

Magnolia677's request to reopen this investigation is based on evidence of off-wiki connection. Presented below, unedited:

Magnolia677's evidence

New Indicator:

F. The suspected sockpuppet Bloomdoom2 is almost certainly the Reddit editor "Bloomdoom2". Bloomdoom2 began posting to Reddit in the summer of 2016, and much like User:Bloomdoom2, he only writes on Reddit about hiphop and rap.

Bloomdoom2 has made about 40 or so edits to Reddit, and has started nine discussions there.

In the summer of 2016, Bloomdoom2 was in this Reddit discussion where he talked about discovering that Kodak Black used to go by the nick-name "J-Black". Then, on August 28, 2016, Xboxmanwar made this edit to the Kodak Black article, adding that his nickname used to be "J-Black".

In the Fall of 2016, Bloomdoom2 announced here in a hiphop chat room on Reddit that he had "made the news" by unearthing information about a rapper named "Young M.A". Bloomdoom2's name is mentioned in the Complex article here. Then, on October 18, 2016, Xboxmanwar created the article Young M.A, and used that very article from Complex as a source.

Bloomdoom2 has created nine discussions on Reddit (see [13]), which I have organized below by date. I have added comments below each of Bloomdoom2's article titles.

1. "Kodak Black's Old Twitter (Apparently he used to be Called j-Black) (twitter.com)" (August 2016)

AND

2. "Kodak Black in the good ol' days (August 2016)"

3. "Unreleased French Montana x Migos Artist/Title Missing (clyp.it)" (August 2016)

4. "Young M.A's really old youtube account, talks about lesbians and relationships (youtube.com)" (Oct. 2016)

  • See above.

5. "Your Eyez Only by J. Cole Full Album Credits. (i.redd.it)" (Nov. 2016)

6. "Radio Interview with Drake's super producer Allen Ritter (Produced Work by Rihanna, also produced for Travis Scott, Future, etc.) (soundcloud.com)" (Feb. 2017)

7. "Desiigner's Old Twitter (twitter.com)" (Feb. 2017)

8. "Smash David (producer of Bounce Back by Big Sean) addresses TM88 controversy by saying that TM88 stole his beat (soundplug.net)" (Feb. 2017)

  • On Xboxmanwar's user page, he/she describes Smash David as one of the two articles "I contributed to significantly that were deleted".

9. "Theory Behind the Beat of Act by Juicy J and Bounce Back by Big Sean (self.hiphopheads)" (March 2017)

To summarize:

  • Xboxmanwar is an editor interested in rap music, with a history of failing to cite reliable sources and now a history of sockpuppetry (ELF, possibly others).
  • JayPe is an editor interested in rap music, with a history of failing to cite reliable sources and a history of sockpuppetry (Fargo2017, possibly others).
  • Bloomdoom2 is an editor interested in rap music, with a history of failing to cite reliable sources, created on the same day that XBM stopped editing, possibly with an off-wiki connection to Xboxmanwar.

Ivanvector (Talk/Edits) 14:44, 12 April 2017 (UTC)

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@Ivanvector: I personally think that Magnolia677's doing of going online to stalk me and find other info about me just for this is "disturbing" and "extreme", and is retaliation since nothing was found of me in the SPI. Obviously as you can see by what Magnolia677 has now done, is that they clearly want me blocked. Now I've seen in the past that Magnolia677 has had major disputes over pointless things with editors @JustDoItFettyg:, @Ss112: and @TheAmazingPeanuts:, maybe a couple more. You can ask those editors I've pinged because I know they would have their own story to tell. Also, I don't have a history of failing to cite reliable sources, I've made a ton of sourced edits like theses [14] [15] [16] [17] [18] [19], and more here, here, here, here, so I don't appreciate it when you and other editors (Magnolia677) claim I don't add sourced content, and surely one editor agrees that I don't add unsourced content. Bloomdoom2 (talk) 18:45, 12 April 2017 (UTC)

  • Comment - The only sock of Xboxmanwar that I have ever suspected is Bloomdoom2. Those other suspected socks were added by another editor after I filed the SPI. Thank you. Magnolia677 (talk) 23:49, 12 April 2017 (UTC)

Clerk, CheckUser, and/or patrolling admin comments

I'll make these a separate case as that user appears intent on continuing to sock. See Wikipedia:Sockpuppet investigations/JayPe in a bit.

25 January 2018

Suspected sockpuppets

I was contacted by email by GSS-1987 to investigate this case. I've previously investigated Xboxmanwar in some depth, they are a user with a narrow field of interest within rap music with a proclivity for edit warring, restoring content that is removed because it fails to cite a reliable source, and recreating articles that are deleted after deletion discussions. In the last investigation I concluded that the user Bloomdoom2 was not a sockpuppet despite convincing evidence; however following the case Bloomdoom2 picked up the behaviours previously attributed to the now-blocked accounts and were themselves blocked in June 2017, also for failing to cite reliable sources. I am now convinced that Bloomdoom2 is an Xboxmanwar sock.

Ashleyvance was created shortly after Bloomdoom2 was blocked, and later recreated an article B.A.M. (or B. A. M.) which Xboxmanwar wrote previously and vigorously defended at AfD. Ashleyvance's article was deleted again, so they recreated it as Draft:Brandon (B.A.M.) Hodge, with nearly identical content (it's truncated from the deleted version, and there are capitalization differences). GSS-1987 contacted me after Ashleyvance recreated Smash David, another article with a history of promotional editing and repeat recreation by Xboxmanwar socks, as well as other sockfarms.

Ashleyvance has additionally declared a paid connection to Keyz (producer), another article previously edited by Xboxmanwar, and at least one other unblocked stale account that intersects with this sockfarm's deleted articles. Ivanvector (Talk/Edits) 18:33, 25 January 2018 (UTC)

  • @Bbb23, Vanjagenije, and Berean Hunter: the behavioural similarities and many article overlaps suggest that this is a UPE farm operating from multiple locations, and I believe the CU result backs that up. Should the two groups be treated as one case? Ivanvector (Talk/Edits) 20:28, 12 February 2018 (UTC)
    • I'll leave this up to y'all since I don't know.
       — Berean Hunter (talk) 22:38, 12 February 2018 (UTC)
    • I would not treat this as one case.--Bbb23 (talk) 23:02, 12 February 2018 (UTC)

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Clerk, CheckUser, and/or patrolling admin comments

Ashleyvance is probably Red X Unrelated. However, the account is  Confirmed to J23dreamer (talk+ · tag · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log · CA · CheckUser(log) · investigate · cuwiki). Blocked both accounts without tags.--Bbb23 (talk) 22:26, 3 February 2018 (UTC)

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